Posted on 06/09/2017 6:26:10 AM PDT by marshmallow
Ummm, Mary's whole identity and purpose, from all eternity in God's Divine Plan, is as a mother -- the mother of Jesus. That's why she's portrayed as a mother so much.
I would have thought that that was common sense.
Agreed on the "was", disagree on the "is".
Mary is the Mother of Jesus for all time.
That is a historic fact that does not change, but is He still subservient to her, or is He her Lord?
But as He was the only perfect Son this means Mary was not perfect. She was a sinner just as you and I.
Do a web search of Mary at the foot of the cross, or the wedding at Cana, or finding Jesus in the temple, and you’ll find several pictures.
He has always been her Lord from the time she was first created. But because she so readily submitted to the will of the Father, she is highly favored.
Thank you. See post 20.
Interesting. I saw the other one you mentioned too.
Both.
The Mother-Son relationship is for all time. It does not change nor can it. Yet at the same time, He is her Savior.
This is the mystery of God's plan of salvation. Don't be afraid of it because God chose to include a human being as a critical element of that plan. God willed it that way and honoring Mary's role in that plan doesn't offend God.
If I understand your response, you have just said God is subservient to a mere mortal, correct?
The Bible uses the word "subject". Jesus was subject to them, as a son is subject to a mother. So yes, God was subject to a "mere mortal". It really happened. Resist the urge to pretend that this was some sort of historical aberration that we should forget as quickly as possible or that this was a temporary relationship of convenience which was forced upon God but which carried no particular significance. It wasn't. God willed it that way. Since Jesus is God, she is the Mother of God.
Now, in heaven, Jesus reigns in His glorified body and that same Mother, to whom he was subject on Earth, is by His side.
Mary was very devoted to the Son of God for 30 years.
Those who are Catholic do honor the great commandments.
What commandment are you talking about?
. They've built so much false teaching on that one verse in the NT.
Yet in every account we have depicting Heaven, Mary is never mentioned in the manner described by Roman Catholicism.
So, are Mary's parents beside her, since she was subject to them, and are they still married (c.f. Matthew 22:30)? And do the list of progenitors continue on to David (who called Jesus prophetically his Lord), and on to Jacob, Issac, Abraham, and on to Noah, etc. all the way back to Adam and Eve? After all, you have stated the parent-child relationship does not change when in Heaven.
As many of us “unbelievers” are aware, the RCC teaches that the ark of the covenant foreshadowed the expectant mother Mary (although I can’t remember ever seeing a statue that represented her at nine months. They’re probably out there though).
And as anybody knows (that has read or heard the story of the ark of the covenant), it was to be carried by men. So, at least the folks in that video got that much right.
Now,...... if they had used oxen and a cart,.....and it started to slide off,...... and the little nun had gotten a hand on it,..............
The imagination is something isn’t it?
**Ummm, Mary’s whole identity and purpose, from all eternity in God’s Divine Plan, is as a mother — the mother of Jesus. That’s why she’s portrayed as a mother so much.**
I don’t have a single photo of the mother of my best friend. Spent a lot of time at their house during the school years. I have no problem whatsoever remembering her as my friends mom.
**Ummm, Mary’s whole identity and purpose, from all eternity in God’s Divine Plan, is as a mother — the mother of Jesus. That’s why she’s portrayed as a mother so much.**
I don’t have a single photo of the mother of my best friend. Spent a lot of time at their house during the school years. I have no problem whatsoever remembering her as my friends mom.
Then why do so many Cathloics believe—falsely, of course—that Mary was somehow without sin?
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" - Romans 3:23
“If that were true, Catholics would only have statues of a baby Jesus. But Catholics mostly have images of Jesus as an adult.”
Good point, you still have a dead jesus that’s still hanging on a “roman” cross.
My Jesus is alive and well sitting at the right hand of God the Father.
Jesus was a baby at one time, and when he was he was still no less God. When Christians have a representation of him as a baby, it’s to make a particular point about something.”
Funny thing is most statues and pictures of fake mary and jesus is one with and adult mary and a baby jesus... you know so when you ask her for something baby jesus must obey his mother right???
“It’s not an idol if one doesn’t believe it is a deity.”
“All the Elect obtain eternal salvation through the means of Mary.” -Saint Ildephonsus, Bishop, d. 667 AD
“With reason did the Most Holy Virgin predict that all generations would call her blessed, for all the Elect obtain eternal salvation through the means of Mary.” -Saint Ildephonsus, Bishop, d. 667 AD
I have great doubts about the salvation of those who do not have special devotion to Mary.” -Saint Francis Borgia, 1510-1572 AD
“If anyone does not wish to have Mary Immaculate for his Mother, he will not have Christ for his Brother.” -Saint Maximilian Kolbe, Martyr, 1894-1941 AD
“Always stay close to this Heavenly Mother, because she is the sea to be crossed to reach the shores of Eternal Splendour.” -Saint Padre Pio, 1887-1968 AD
If your religion claims that grace flows through her then she is deity IAW the church of rome. You are a bad rc and apparently don’t believe in the rcc infallible.
“I am devoted to my parents, my children, and my wife. God does not forbid being devoted to those we love. Catholics love Jesus’s mother as he does, as should you.”
As we protestant’s love our family, but we don’t worship, bow, crown, call them mother of a god, light candles to them, or think that grace can or does flow through them.
Facts verses excuses
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