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Exposing The Counterfeit In The Emergent Church (some of Trump's prayer pals?)
Deception Free ^ | January 15, 2015 | Deception Free

Posted on 07/12/2017 7:12:11 PM PDT by Sontagged

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It is now time to shed light on the central modern-day movements that are responsible for destroying Christianity from the inside out. This will be the most offensive section because many people are caught up in these movements right now and will find it hard to see the truth about what is really going on.

Please note that the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship now “Catch the Fire” is NOT excluded from this list but is very close to the top. Since they share in the same characteristics of the ones below I have left them for another section where will I relate my personal experiences with them for over 4 years.

Please also note this is a blog and will have spelling and format errors. I will seek to correct this and release the entire thing as a PDF online.

KANSAS CITY PROPHETS/ELIJAH LIST

This group is responsible for polluting the church with many false books and prophecies. They are spreading a false deceptive prophetic mantle out over the church and catching many well-meaning people up in it that have had genuine prophetic gifting.

What typically happens is that someone with a genuine prophetic gifting will start looking to these guys as examples, read their books and their prophecies. Soon they start adopting the way they prophecy and get caught up in this deceptive stream of prophecy.

This deceptive stream works like this: After someone has started reading the books, going to the meetings of these “prophets” and getting things imparted to them they start to use the same prophetic lingo as everyone else. Then (from what they heard) their imaginations dream up things that seem to fit the vision of what these guys have been prophesying about.

Now the trouble with this is these people are being taught mostly to use pictures in their imagination and dreams to prophecy – the Devil can send deceptive spirits to influence this type of prophecy.

Some people who are under these guys do really hear from God, even with the influence of these people they still prophecy according to God. But many people start to drift and speak some truth and some things out of their imagination. Others get caught right up in it and may have never even had the gift (because they don’t even know what the genuine is) and start prophesying according to the counterfeit. The modern church has completely under estimated the danger of this movement.

Most of these prophets use prophetic lingo that sounds really good but are very vague and immeasurable where they cannot be held accountable.

When they do say something measurable most of the time it is wrong and they make excuses like the “modern-day prophet only has to be a certain percentage right, no one is perfect”. In the Bible they killed people who made false prophecy.

Here is a sample of some of the type of prophecy:

“… There shall be a cleaning up, and there shall be a wonderful, wonderful victory, says the spirit of the Lord; therefore, let your Christmas be a Christmas of celebration, because beyond this year, into 2004, suddenly there shall be a shift … Look for the wind,” says the Spirit. A very unusual wind, and you shall not say as Elijah said, “God was not in the wind.”

The spirit of the Lord said, “It shall be a sign that that which has tormented the citizens of this nation, of Great Britain, of Saudi Arabia, and many other nations, shall be swiftly brought to an end,” says the Lord. There shall be a wind that shall blow in certain portions of the nation. They shall see as never before this wind,” God says. (Kim Clement, November 22, 2003, Portland, Oregon, cited in Elijah List, 9/16/04)

Others have prophesied earthquakes, disasters, things in the white house all that never come true. Ruth Heflen actually gave a prophecy that Jesus Christ would appear in the flesh on stage with Benny Hinn…

Hmm ok well that didn’t happen, and why would Jesus before his second coming appear on stage in the flesh with an apostate evangelist. If you are prophesying things that don’t come true well then you are not a prophet. David Wilkerson made prophesies in 1974 about Collapse of the Soviet Union, a truce with China, economic collapses and even the Japan Earthquake.

All of these came true and he has many more that are about to come true, from the knowledge of what I know about world events, such as worldwide economic failure and large-scale destruction in the US. Another notable thing is the position he was prophesying from was a very humble position, not knowing the big picture and saying God have mercy on us sinners, unlike the prideful Kansas City prophets.

These people claim that they are the Super Prophets and Apostles that God has specially chosen for the end times and they have been given the biggest anointing of all generations to perform healings, signs and wonders.

They actually believe that the world should come under their authority. But yet their movement is plagued by false prophecy, mystical teachings, occultic abuse andsexual sins to name a few.

They believe that once they have unified all the Christians under them and the body of Christ has become one, then Christ will come back and the praying Christians will be the reason Christ comes back and judges the earth. At least that is what they tell their followers.

Since many of these people are hardcore dominionists they believe they will take over the Earth establishing an earthly kingdom before Christ comes back.

This is actually establishing a one world religion and the Christ that they are waiting for is the Anti-Christ. Coded within the prophecy is the dominionism theology and mysticism to persuade your mind and plant thoughts into your head to accept the New Age Christ and one world religion. I had a friend who had relatives that was there at the formation of the this group in the 80’s and they confirm the fact that this group became very occultic and everybody would flock to these prophets to hear from God instead of going to God, and that they became the final authority not God. They tell everyone not to judge, it’s all about peace unity and love, but when they are criticized they harshly rebuke and tell people that they are coming against God’s chosen.

Here is a letter from a couple that was there at the beginning:

My husband and I were a part of Kansas City Fellowship from its inception, until 1990. Here’s our story.

We were part of the original church that Mike Bickle started in the early 80′s called Kansas City Fellowship. In fact, when Mike first arrived in Kansas City, he spoke at a women’s bible study that I was attending at the time. It was the first time I had heard contemplative prayer taught. I was so intrigued by his teaching, I made it a point to attend his soon to be new church.

From the church’s early beginnings, we were wowed by the fact that this church seemed to be commissioned by God. We were encouraged to read about the modern revivals, such as Azuza Street, and modern revivalists, such as Mary Woodworth Edder, and Charles Finney. We were also encouraged to read about the life of David Brainerd, especially his devotion to prayer. Also on the list of required reading were all of Kenneth Hagin’s books. All of this was to prepare us for the coming revival in knowing what to expect.

A point I wish to make, in regards to KCF’s beginnings, is the original prophet who spoke to Mike back in St. Louis. This man prophesied that Mike needed to move to Kansas City to begin this new move of God. His name was Augustine Acolla. He was later dismissed as somewhat false when a certain prophecy never came to pass. He was also later discovered to have a hidden homosexual lifestyle what was exposed before he passed away, but he needs to be included in the Kansas City Prophets head count, as he was highly esteemed and credited from the beginning as a true prophet.

Mike’s main focus, in the early days, was to pray for God to pour out His holy spirit as he did in the days of Acts. During the first year when Bob Jones came on the scene, this focus remained the same with the added oooing and awwwwing associated with having our own resident prophet. We were so flattered regarding our calling to be THE group that would usher in the revival to beat all revivals. He told us that we had been invited to pray this thing in. He had all kinds of remarkable tales of God having promised him, through the years, that a generation would arise in his (Bob’s) future that would someday receive him. And we were that people.

During the first year of the fellowship, a solumn assembly was called, the first of several, where we were called to fast and pray for twenty-one days, at the end of which, the Lord was going to fill us with his holy spirit as he did on the day of pentecost. So, fast and pray we did. This commission purportedly came about when both Mike, and Bob Jones, received a personal visitation from the angel, Gabriel, who gave both of them the same scripture, which was Daniel Chapter 9. The angel told both of them of the need for this solemn assembly to take place. We began the fast which was to conclude at the end of May. We spent many days and nights binding and loosing territorial spirits in order to open up the heavenlies so God could pour his spirit down.

At the end of the fast, absolutely nothing happened. That’s when the focus began to somewhat change. It was discovered, by the leadership, that we didn’t have the proper wineskin in place to recieve the new wine promised by the angel Gabriel. So, continuing our routine to pray every night and day for the Lord to send his spirit, we began to receive teaching entitled “commitment classes” which lasted for about two years. Absolutely anyone who wanted to participate in any kind of ministry at the church, be it on the worship team, or volunteering with the children, had to undergo these classes. The gist of the teaching was church government and how the city needed an apostolic leader over all the churches in order for the believers to contain this level of annointing. I kid you not. These were the most boring classes to attend, but attend them we did, because everyone, and I mean everyone didn’t want to miss this “move of God”, and everyone wanted a leadership type position.

It was during this time that the prophets were on the move, prophesying to churches to submit to Mike, or else they’d be left out. It was also at this time that my hustand and I began to become seriously confused. Our lives began to grow too busy to attend the nightly prayer meetings any longer. We were a young growing family with toddlers to raise. The prophesies were confusing and very “cosmic” in nature. The ones that were clear enough to follow, weren’t coming to pass.

Also, those of us attending the nightly prayers meetings were seeing the original “vision” change. We were on board for the “pray night and day until” vision, but the rules kept changing, and Mike was becoming a sensation. It seemed that MANY ministries throughout the Unitied States, and even England, were embracing his “city church” vision, and were equally wowed by the prophets. When the Vinyard began showing interest, they appeared more influenced by Mike and the prophets, than the other way around.

One other important fact that never gets mentioned, and has since been removed from the history. Mike had a paraplegic brother named Pat whom we were close to. Pat always attended the evening prayer meetings which we also attended. Keep in mind, the early prayer movement was very sparce, a far cry from what it looks like today. Just a dozen or so faithful regularly attended. As a result, we got to know one another pretty well. Well, amongst all the prophecies and promises of the spirit being poured out on us, there was ALWAYS the promise that Pat would be healed. So often was that promise repeated that we spoke of it as a “given.” All of the prophets mentioned it numerous times. In fact, it was going to be THE EVENT that started the whole ball rolling.

Sadly, Pat passed away a few years ago. More sadly, however, is how this often stated prophecy, at least how pivotal it was, was erased from the history. Now, when new IHOPers listen to the 18 plus hours of how IHOP came to be, they won’t know about Pat and that profound promise that we hoped for in his healing.

It was at this time that my husband and I set aside all the nonsense we had been taught, and turned to the scriptures, alone, for guidance. The Lord graciously revealed the Gospel to us and our confusion ceased. We knew, clearly enough, that this message of the Cross was not being preached, nor was it ever preached. My husband tried to talk to Mike about it a number of times, but was not received well. When Ernie Gruen preached his memorable sermon “Do we keep smiling and say nothing,” we left. His sermon helped us see the error of the whole prophetic thing.

Back then, I assumed that this whole thing would just fizzle out. How wrong I was. We now have grown children who rub elbows with other grown children influenced by IHOP. While our children have been taught the error of this movement, I find it necessary to reteach the “why’s” of whats wrong with all of this, especially since so many churches here in Kansas City have people in their congregations who also attend IHOP. And now with the “student awakening” under way, it’s all the buzz in local christian circles.

I hope this testimony is somehow helpful to persons who are doubting this movement.

What is an Apostle today? Here is a link to a teaching that describes true Apostles, I only read the notes but the idea is that these guys are not the Apostles they say they are.

http://www.echozoe.com/archives/2544

Let’s take a look at a few of the key players here that claim to be the Prophetic Authority of this movement.

MIKE BICKLE/IHOP

Mike is the founder of this group coming up from under John Wimber and Vineyard. This is the driving force behind the whole prayer/spiritual warfare movement encompassing many groups. It is an interesting fact that Vineyard was the vehicle for these movements but they have now become disassociated with both the Toronto Blessings and Mike Bickle.

Mike claims to have heard an audible voice of the Lord to start this movement and make claims of going to heaven, having visions and seeing angels. Most cults have started in the exact same way, people having a “spiritual” experience and claim that it validates everything they do. Augustine Acolla was the person who gave him the confirming prophetic word to start his movement, but this person was discredited with false prophecies and for being a homosexual. Bickle is the forerunner for a lot of the mystic ideas such as “contemplative prayer” and “harp & bowl” type of intercession. On top of that he has many false doctrines he promotes such as the Manifest Sons of God. There are many reports of his IHOP being very cultic, even abusive, and people have reported seeing many people with Masonic rings in the prayer room there. One person was even murdered for opposing IHOP and a baby was starved to death through fasting.

Bethany Deaton a former member of the IHOP School was murdered by Micah Moore on a Satanic high holiday. It was made to look like a suicide until Micah turned himself into police. Micah confessed that Bethany’s newlywed husband Tyler had told him to kill her. Tyler Deaton was the leader of a small group under IHOP and served as a division coordinator after going through the IHOP school. It was reported that Bethany had been sexually assaulted in cult like ceremonies within the small group. After this all happened IHOP denied that these people where really associated with IHOP and Tyler’s name vanished from the faculty list. They said it was a mistake that it ended up on there. You can google many articles yourself about this, I will provide this link:

http://www.examiner.com/article/ihop-under-scrutiny-for-cult-link-after-bethany-deaton-alleged-rape-murder

There was an extensive independent investigation done on IHOP where a family hired an investigation agency to provide a thorough report after one of their family members was caught up in it. They interviewed many people both students and teachers at IHOP and even infiltrated the group by enrolling in the school. This is the final conclusion of the agency:

IHOP Investigation Part III

The third portion of our investigation centered on eye witness reports by our team and testimonials received from those within IHOP. These reports come from casual meetings on the IHOP campus, private discussions in individual apartments, conversations and interviews conducted off-site, teachings given on the campus by various individuals in leadership roles, incidents taking place in the prayer room, during private meetings, summer camps and during FSM classes.

Compiling the data has been an extensive task resulting in a unanimous decision that the International House of Prayer movement in Kansas City, led by Mike Bickle, is indeed a dangerous, cult-like organization utilizing mental, emotional and physical manipulation to facilitate the deception and brainwashing of its members.

Without tapping into the controversy that has surrounded Bickle since the 80’s, we can confidently state that Bickle has a power-hungry agenda, centered on the youth, wherein he profits not only financially at their expense, but derives global positioning through acts of deceptive spiritualism that are not based in Scripture.

Conclusive evidence supports the accusations that Bickle and his leadership team use fear tactics to mentally and emotionally bully their followers.

Conclusive evidence supports the claim that Bickle and his leadership team use psychological manipulations and hypnotic techniques to deceive their followers.

Conclusive evidence supports the conclusion that Bickle and his leadership team force their students and camp-goers to fast and pray at time intervals and lengths that are physically unhealthy to their bodies and their minds. These mandatory fasts and prayer schedules cause sleep deprivation so severe at times the students incur hallucinations, fainting spells and nervous breakdowns.

Conclusive evidence supports that Bickle and his leadership team manipulate their students through the use of mandatory journaling assignments, which are then used as tools of deception under the pretense of receiving a prophetic word from God. Conclusive evidence supports that Bickle and his leadership team utilize ancient witch-craft tactics to call up spirits and demonize their youthful followers.

During our investigation we witnessed demon possessions and demon encounters with students screaming nightly in their beds, students rocking violently back and forth and clawing at their own flesh, students jerking wildly and chanting/laughing uncontrollably.

During our investigation we witnessed what is referred to as demonizing one another, where one person touches the other and the demon passes between them and manifests itself in outbursts that are often severe and violent.

During our investigation we witnessed several students who were fearful and pleaded to be able to leave or telephone their families and were denied the right to make contact. They were told it was their own demons making them fearful and they needed to be set free.

During our investigation we witnessed FSM leaders who chanted ancient-type spells to conjure up so-called “revelations from the spirit.” Some of these revelations were based on false information we deliberately placed in our investigator’s journal assignments, proving this wasn’t a revelation from God at all; but a mere fabrication and tactic of mental manipulation.

During our investigation we witnessed a group hypnosis in the prayer room, a sedation technique used to clear the mind and open the spirit to demonic revelations and activity.

Conclusive evidence based on the teachings of founder, Mike Bickle, supports the claim that Bickle does not adhere to Scripture, but rather changes it as he goes.

He supports the notion of praying to the human spirit and asking for prophetic revelation.

He supports the notion that prophesy does not need to be accurate and that God will sometimes give inaccurate prophetic words to see if his followers are paying attention.

He supports the theology of the elected seed generation through the Manifest Sons of God, the movement of the Latter Rain and Joel’s Army. These are theories outwardly refuted publically, but privately he and his staff lead their flock according to these guidelines and beliefs.

He dejects humanitarian efforts as a waste of time, stating humanitarianism is the groundwork for the Anti-Christ.

His focus is clearly on growing his army larger and larger and taking control of the political and economic free world. In his office he was heard talking to a fellow leader and Bickle stated: “Who else can we get to team with us, I mean, who are the biggest groups out there and how do we pull them in so that we will hold undeniably more power than the government.”

Our findings conclude that IHOP is Scripturally un-sound.

One investigator says, “I was in FSM for three months and I never once heard the message of Salvation through Christ. All that is taught is how to go deeper in meditation and how to receive prophetic revelation from the spirit.”

One IHOP staff member stated, “The Bible isn’t the end-all, it’s just the beginning. God has more to say and He’s saying it through us, through His elected seed.”

An IHOP team leader said this to a young woman begging to call her parents and go home, “The Bible says even the prophet won’t be accepted in his home, so if you go back you are denying God the prophetic vision He wants to give you. You’re not being obedient to Christ.”

An IHOP leader told a young man who had questioned some of what was being taught, “God offends the mind to reveal the heart and your heart is demon filled because you are questioning God.”

Four students were banished from the IHOP-KC campus for questioning the theology of the Latter Rain movement. They were each told that they were “under the stronghold of generational sin and they needed to be sent to another location to be healed.”

Our results include more depth, however for the length of this report we have given an overview of some of our findings. The root of the IHOP movement is not spiritually sound and in my personal opinion, evil things are occurring on the Kansas City campus.

We cannot speak for other House of Prayer locations in other cities or around the world, but our findings at the IHOP KC campus are conclusive.

The International House of Prayer movement is man-centered, man-based and man-esteemed, rooted in inaccurate prophesy from the beginning and continues to grow in spiritual manipulation and deception. This is, by our standards, a cult.

Here is a link to a letter from someone within the school to the investigation team:

When the results started to be published online there was an cyber attack originating out of Argentina that attempted to erase all the information about IHOP off the servers.

If you remember the testimony early of the person who very high in the occult you will remember him saying that some of these agents of Satan were assigned to start churches, prayer room and healing centers and when they made satanic sacrifices it gave them more power to deceive the Christians so they wouldn’t question what they were doing. Now knowing what we know about IHOP I would have to some to the conclusion that IHOP is one of those places.

The original document I had found on author Susan Renee’ Claridge’s Blog. When I went back it was removed and when I emailed her she told me that there was a lot of pressure from IHOP for her to take it down, legally speaking. She directed me to another site that contained the same info, but since then her Feeling The Fiction blog has more posts on IHOP. Click the link below to see how she compares Jim Jones one of the biggest and deadliest cult leaders to IHOP.

http://feelingthefiction.blogspot.ca/search/label/IHOP

Also check out this link where some of the original investigations can be found:

http://stopihopcult.wordpress.com/

Links on IHOP:

http://apprising.org/2011/07/02/ihop-enters-dominionchristian-right-politics/

http://standupforthetruth.com/2011/11/what-about-ihop/

http://www.wordconnect.org/

If you still are questioning whether this is true or not, read this report that is over 200 pages on IHOP formed by concerned Christians about this group. This report call the Gruen Report was circulated to as many pastors as possible.

http://www.birthpangs.org/articles/kcp/kcp-gruen.html

Direct link to document:

http://www.birthpangs.org/articles/kcp/Aberrant%20Practises.pdf

It is amazing to see that even after all these crazy things about IHOP being exposed many churches still support IHOP and follow their teaching. Even in Canada what is seen as the most radical group of Christians teams up with IHOP and others from this movement on a regular basis.

LOU ENGLE/ THE CALL & JOELS ARMY/THE CRY

Lou Engle and Mike Bickle go hand in hand both working closely together for the same goals. Lou spreads the false doctrine of Joel’s Army and the Manifest Sons of God (who teach that the rise of a victorious church of “overcomers” endowed with supernatural power to wage spiritual warfare and perform miracles would usher in the second coming of Christ). He also teaches that an end-time army engaged in spiritual warfare will take dominion over the earth.

This all sounds fancy and good because some of that really is what the body of Christ is supposed to be, but the problem is the they are Dominionists and believe that they are going to take over the whole earth through spiritual warfare, set up and earthly kingdom and then Christ will return. Lou Engle organizes the Call 12 hour prayer rallies all over the nation. The rallies are politically motivated and deeply rooted in politics. What a great thing to get people together to pray for a nation and it’s leaders. Too bad it’s all promoting dominionism.

If you remember Rick Perry Governor of Texas he worked with the Call to form a prayer rally called “The Response”. This is a direct tie to politics, to the Christian right and also the group called “The Family”, the most powerful people in America. Rick Perry pretends to be a Christian (like most politicians) but there are many reports of him being a bisexual and living a very sex and drugged filled life. On top of that he was on Al Gores team, who is a big globalist for world government. Now to top it off – he was a Bildeberg attendee in 2008!

This is a dead giveaway that he is working with the NWO.

These prayer rallies never highlight the real problem in government, but lead people in the deception that candidates are elected into office and they persuade public opinion. These movement only focus on a few issues such as abortion, same-sex marriage & homosexuals, actually it’s almost exclusively about this.

Lou Engle states all these prophesies that gays are the cause for America’s problems and then goes on to call a 40 day fast and all of Christianity to pray for 100,000 gays to get healed and come to Christ. It would be a good thing to do if the gays would get saved – but you and I both know that without actually going out to the gays and preaching the Gospel to them, nothing will happen. Making a whole movement focused on one subject is a division tactic to distract and keep the public occupied. There is also a Canadian counterpart to this called The Cry led by Faytene Grasseschi that works hand in hand with the Call. With all these prayer rally’s and efforts to change the government, nothing ever changes, abortion is still legal and homosexuallity and same-sex marriage is still on the rise. If these people were on the prophetic edge hearing from God for the nation they would know the truth that these issues should not be the focus of the prayer movement. Rather they should call the nation to repentance and expose how corrupt the government is.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/people/lou-engle

RICK JOYNER

This guy is probably the biggest false prophet out of Kansas city, he uses his prophecy to discourage people from looking into the truth and promotes the dominion agenda. One of the biggest giveaways for this guy is that he is part of a Masonic organization called the Knights of Malta. It is admitted right on his website since he had no way to hide it. David Rockefeller – a leader in the NWO – is also a part of this group. The knights of Malta is a Masonic order underneath the Roman Catholic Church. Rick is an agent of satan and a wolf in sheeps clothing.

Watch as Rick get’s knighted by men in black robes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9zTw9L8QAE

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Rick Joyner being knighted

Another interesting fact that I figured out on my own is that his ministry is named “Morning Star”. In the bible there are hints to this being about Jesus but there is also one definite scripture that refers this morning star to Satan:

KJV Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

HCSB

Shining morning star, how you have fallen from the heavens! You destroyer of nations, you have been cut down to the ground.

Now what is the literal translation of “Lucifer”?

Lucifer is the King James Version rendering of theHebrew word הֵילֵל. This word, transliterated hêlēl or heylel, occurs only once in the Hebrew Bible and according to Strong’s Concordance means “shining one, morning star, Lucifer”.

The word Lucifer is taken from the Latin Vulgate,[2]which translates הֵילֵל as lucifer,[3][4] meaning “the morning star, the planet Venus” (or, as an adjective, “light-bringing”),

In other words you could Translate Rick Joyner’s ministry to: Lucifer. Hmm isn’t funny that the Knights of Malta, the Masons and the Roman Catholic church worship Lucifer/Satan, who Rick Joyner is a part of. Isn’t it than funny he names his ministry “Morning Star” which translates to Lucifer.

Rick is the mentor for Tod Bentley who led the Lakeland revival. Although Lakeland had some nature of a revival, with people coming in off the streets and repenting, showed that God was not completely absent from this, was overshadowed by these apostate leaders that made a mockery of the revival which ended in shame. Here is a video of all the movements leaders blessings Todd and prophesying how much his anointing and power was going to increase.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4YlqSV949g

Do you notice that the leader of the NAR & ICA Peter Wagner starts by saying this is the official ceremony of Todd’s apostolic alignment under the ICA & NAR. Rick Joyner and John Arnott, are both right there.

A few weeks later it was revealed Todd was having an affair, getting drunk and soon divorced his wife. He now has been “restored” to ministry by Rick Joyner meanwhile living in a sinful adulterous relationship. The crazy thing is they don’t say what he is doing is wrong but put him back in ministry! Here is a video of this restoration with Rick Joyner who defends Todd and rebukes people for judging him?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdh51_d2g50

A strange thing that I notice is that these guys didn’t have enough discernment to notice that Todd was wearing a shirt with a demon on it. Unless that was intentional. Todd also has many occultic tattoo’s that he got after he became a Christian. I have also noticed other leaders in this movement wearing the trendy clothing that is being put out with occulitc symbolism on it.

People may have read Rick’s books about spiritual warfare “The Final Quest” & “The Call” and found it very insightful saying this was from God. Just because this guy has insight into the spiritual realm doesn’t mean he is even a Christian and it certainly doesn’t give him a stamp of approval for everything he does after writing those books. I have read both those books and found them insightful but there is good reason to believe that he knows what he knows because he is a Satanist and knows the strategies that the devil is using to keep the Christians at bay.

Here is an article decoding the book that is currently waiting to be published so I can not verify the contents yet, but it looks like he has done a good job.

http://www.wordconnect.org/page_article11_index.php

PAUL CAIN/BOB JONES

Here are 2 other guys that are considered as head Prophets for the movement. They have numerous false prophecies and both claim to have visions of angels and heaven visitations. Paul Cain claimed that Jesus appeared to him while driving in his car and told him that he (Jesus) was jealous of his relationship with his soon to be wife and that if Cain wanted an intimate relationship with Jesus he had to remain celibate for the rest of his life. Cain was kicked out of ministry for being a homosexual and having a problem with alcohol.

Bob Jones who also is a mentor of Bentley was discredited first for abusive harmful use of his prophetic gifting than it came out that he was sexually abusing women by telling them they needed to be naked before God and to undress in front of him. Bob Jones still is part of the Kansas city prophets and releases words on the Elijah list. Yes people these are the head Apostles and Prophets that the whole world-wide church is expected to submit to.

OTHER PEOPLE AND ORGANIZATIONS

There are other groups that are directly tied to this movement that are worth mentioning that people need to be aware of. I cannot take the time to research every single one involved within this movement but if you are not convinced by now of anything I have been saying listing any more people would be in vain.

Patricia King

King is an admitted ex witch but some things lead me to believe she is not an ex witch or has somehow combined both Christianity and occultism. When she first got saved she tried using occult methods in her Christianity. She was caught up in this movement and was discipled under this group and now has her ministry that teaches many questionable occultic things. I saw her at a meeting in person at the TACF in Toronto and what I saw confirms everything.

The most unusual thing happened at the end of the meeting she said she saw huge angels and even Jesus walking around the room and then when everyone had been gathered at the front with their hands lifted up she said ” here it is the glory is about to be released right over there” right where I was and at that moment everyone started to go whooah and sway toward the stage. I felt this magnetic hypnotic spiritual energy come down like a wave and within moments it was gone. About 10 minutes later the meeting was over. I really wondered what I had experienced because if defiantly didn’t feel like the Holy Spirit.

PK

This is her symbol

Doesn’t look very Christian to me, although she has her mystic explanation of it how can a fallen over bent cross with a blue flame ever be Christian?? It is an X not a cross! Seems to me it would more represent a twisted version of Christianity. A blue flame has never been Christian but in fact a blue flame is very associated with witchcraft. Hmm, a professed “Ex Witch” using a bent twisted cross with a blue flame…..

VC

This is the Verichip company making RFID chips that will be used to regulate the mark of the beast. (Read excerpt below)

Below taken from: http://themurkynews.blogspot.ca/2008/07/introduction-connecting-current-events.html

“X” MARKS THE…ANTICHRIST

There is also significant indication of the letter “X” being an actual occult symbol for the Antichrist.

Recall one of occultism’s central, most prominent symbols–“the Skull and [X-shaped] Crossbones”. Another favorite (and directly related) symbol of Luciferians…the “crossed out cross”, whereby the “Christian” cross is literally crossed out with an “X” shape.

Dr. Cathy Burns, the author of “Masonic and Occult Symbols Illustrated” and many other books on the occult, states:

“…since [occultic] Masonry has replaced the cross of Jesus with an “X” representing their own ‘christ’, that ‘christ’ of Masonry was the Biblical Antichrist; therefore, the “X” in modern Freemasonry represents Antichrist!”

“Thus, the “X” in the Skull & Bones symbol represents the Black Magick Masonry symbol for Antichrist”. LINK

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All of that to say–this chosen brand name for the RFID chips,”Xmark” (if it remains part of the world’s premier RFID chip conglomerate) can apparently be literally interpreted as the”Antichrist’s mark”.

Isn’t it amazing how the Bible has predicted all of this two thousand years ago?

This is someone who is under her ministry: Dj Caleb and Club Mysterio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2i5k6WuwX4

BILL JOHNSON BETHEL CHURCH & JESUS CULTURE

Bill Johnson is another closely tied to IHOP and teaches many things in line with this movement at his church. Schools at Bethel even go so far as teaching mystical practices coming right out stating that mysticism is good. This is where a member of my church went and came back thinking that we could levitate as Christians. Check it out here on their own site the school of prophecy:

http://www.ibethel.org/events/2012/01/school-of-the-prophets-redding-ca

If the new age imagery in the banner isn’t enough they even have one of the topics listed as ” Exploring the mystical side of prophecy”.

Bethel is linked to a group called “The New Mystics” with John Crowder (Sons of Thunder). Here is the website:

http://www.thenewmystics.com/

Like come on, can you get any more new age???

If you didn’t watch the 3rd part to this short doc early watch it now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWeUNoR30_0

It shows John Crowder at the Bethel church and many of these crazy new age things taking place.

I can’t even believe this video: sloshfest??

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/2817306/The-ravers-who-get-high-on-God.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6zp3Ha1njo&feature=player_embedded

Their school may not be as a controlling cult as IHOP’s but they are defiantly teaching the new age Christianity. Bill Johnston is also connected with Oral Roberts even going to his home. If you remember Oral Roberts is a 33rd degree free mason. Bethel is also accused of staging false signs and wonders such as the glory cloud & feathers falling from the air vents supposedly from heaven.

Here is a good teaching about some of the false heresy by Bill Johnson:

http://www.echozoe.com/archives/2509

Another good article:

http://www.wordconnect.org/page_article12.php

JESUS CULTURE

People that know Jesus Culture think of great big worship events with passionate young people praising the Lord and becoming radical followers of Christ. The focus of this JC movement is revival and signs and wonders. Unfortunately this movement does not live up to its hype but is a highly deceptive movement weakening the true gospel of Jesus. I am not saying that people are not saved in this movement or that real encounters with God don’t happen, but rather the focus is not on the essentials of Christianity but takes advantage of some lesser essentials that have a self-centered appeal.

It’s great to get all riled up for Jesus and raise your hands in an awesome worship service, but where does that leave you when you go home? Jesus Culture flows in the same vein as the rest of the Latter Rain movement. Their main message is about experiencing God’s love and becoming revivalists. They believe that being filled with the Holy Spirit is when you fall down on the ground and shake rattle and roll. There is an extreme emphasis on this and signs and wonders. Major problems with this JC movement are as follows:

– A worldly model of worship where these worship leaders are worship superstars just like a rock stars, selling albums and t-shirts, signing autographs and being in the spotlight. From what I see these people genuinely worship God and have no idea what they are really a part of. Do they not see that people come to see them! They cram in to the worship “concerts” and try to get as close to the stage as possible. The youth idolize them and that is wrong.

– Jesus is often forgotten about in the meetings where his name is rarely mentioned. One person mentioned that they couldn’t remember hearing Jesus name once during a concert. When my old church sang song songs from JC and the like in the service, I noticed almost all the songs (except a few) didn’t mention Jesus and did not have a fundamental Christian message.

– The whole focus of the movement is a self-centered experience, where Christians run to want an experience. Unfortunately that counterfeit spirit I have been talking about is right there to give them what they want.

– There are very few healing compared to what they claim, if any genuine at all. The signs and wonders are not biblical ones and do nothing for sharing the true message of Jesus.

– This movement is causing people stop thinking for themselves or read their Bible. The fundamentals, such as reading & STUDYING the Bible, (a real version not the Message or watered down versions) sharing the gospel by preaching REPENTANCE from SIN. These are the core things among others that are absent from Jesus Culture. I see JC as the vehicle to water down Christianity to prepare people’s minds to accept the new age Anti Christ.

Here is one video on Jesus Culture showing these things:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UQJ50h1maFM

Worship Me I have a Guitar and a MicroPhone

CAMPUS CRUSADE & PROMISE KEEPERS

Bill Right is another hardcore dominionist who came out of Fuller Seminary who started CCC (Campus Crusade for Christ). This is yet another front organization for the one world religion with connections to all of the above with masons, new agers even sitting on the international committee for CCC. Read this article for a full listing of connections:

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/campus_crusade.html

Promise Keepers is a man centered organization that is supposed to keep men accountable. The first fruits of this sounds pretty good but the underlying system is dominionist – a very special scary fascist strain of domionism.

Each male is to subject every aspect of his life to a group leader or front man who collects information which is all entered into a world-wide database.

This is “big brother” in the church on a whole new level. This organization is heavily influenced By James Dobson (Focus on the Family) Pat Roberson and the CNP. This is an important insight here how a lot of these movements are using and abusing the cell structure. I have read up on the G12 model and the Yongi Cho model of cells which has seen extreme success, because a mega church model just does not work for discipleship. But all of these groups go way beyond and have a serious control mentality over the cells in a giant pyramid structure.

Yongi Cho pastor of the world’s biggest church unfortunately has come in my research as working together with the World Council of Churches and the forces of Ecenumicalism. It is my suspicion that this totalitarian cell system will be used in the future to find out who the real Christians are in the world-wide cell network & database. Then the ones who don’t accept the one world religion will be persecuted.

http://www.publiceye.org/eyes/promkeep.html

SEEKER CHURCHES

Seeker churches like Willow Creek are right in with all of this as well, Bill Hybels is another pastor tied to Rick Warren and Universalists promoting different strains of New Age and Universalism. Mars Hill and Mark Driscoll have gone way off the mark and now preach a different new age gospel.

http://standupforthetruth.com/hot-topics/global-leadership-summit/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/13/mark-driscoll-s-sex-manual-real-marriage-scandalizes-evangelicals.html

Every day I find out about a new person or group that has gone off the mark. It is impossible to write about them all, nor do I want to take up any more of my time exposing things. I much rather create music and disciple people in the truth. I think I have covered a good deal of the most important groups infecting Christianity. Next before I conclude this research project I will write my opinion on the characteristics of the counterfeit.

Here is a video to finish this section:

The Beautiful Side of Evil – Johanna Michaelsen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6Qy1j2LBmU

Author who puts it plainly the occult influence in the church.

July 14, 2016 at 12:26 pm Thank you for this article. Very helpful indeed…!

I agree with your logic regarding Rick Joyner’s use of the term “Morning Star” in the spirit of what you meant, but would like to point out that in the real English bible (King James Bible), Jesus and ONLY Jesus is referred to as the morning star, when Jesus calls himself the bright and morning star in Revelation 22:16.

The fact that the name Lucifer is supplanted by “morning star” in so many modern versions of the Bible is just one of hundreds if not thousands of examples that show that the modern versions of the Bible (INCLUDING the King James, even though that is not the case in this particular verse) use CORRUPTED manuscripts with preference which the King James translators did not use at all (that is, they use the Vaticanus, which came out of the bowels of the Vatican–documented forgerers–and the Sinaiticus (replete with some 30,000 errors) found in an old monastery by a so-called Protestant Tischendorf who had PREVIOUSLY visited the Pope at the Vatican. It is my belief that the Jesuits have so completely infiltrated the seminaries/bible colleges that this is why 99.9% of ALL pastors nowadays are not taught out of the King James Bible at all anymore!

Back to Isaiah 14:12 and the word Lucifer. You wrote,

Lucifer is the King James Version rendering of the Hebrew word הֵילֵל. This word, transliterated hêlēl or heylel, occurs only once in the Hebrew Bible

THIS IS TRUE. And when you look at the definition or etymology of that Hebrew word it has NOTHING to do with any star or planet; that occurs ONLY in the Latin. Yet, as you noted, “according to Strong’s Concordance [it] means ‘shining one, morning star, Lucifer’.”

THIS EXPOSES STRONG’S CONCORDANCE. For more information on how the SAME people that conspired to corrupt the Holy Bible, including Westcott and Hort, were on committees and in groups with the SAME PEOPLE that worked on the words in the back of Strong’s Concordance! None of the Bible was originally translated into Latin–THAT was done by the Catholic Church, and they never did stick to the truth, preferring to show themselves as an institution and/or the Pope to be a higher authority than the scriptures.

One resource to learn more about this is G. A. Riplinger’s not terribly well organized but highly helpful and informational book HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.

Bottom line, I believe the reason those who have tried to corrupt the bible (and have done so with the modern versions) did it ON PURPOSE to make Lucifer and Jesus look like that are the same person and/or equal in power (which reminds me also of — who is it, Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormons? — a false religion that believes that Lucifer and Jesus were twins!

Keep up the great work!!!

Your sister in Christ, Michele (JesusGeek)

Reply JC May 4, 2016 at 3:08 pm

Thank you for these resources. I came out from the NAR movement and have made some videos exposing Dr. Brown and his Fire School of Ministry.

You can check them out at http://www.becarefulhowyouhear.com

Ralph Winestock April 9, 2016 at 11:31 pm

Remember this? [Paul]”Cain unleashed a storm of controversy from within the Christian community when he released a supposed word from the Lord that President Bill Clinton, who has fought hard to keep abortion legal and whose first week in office saw him lobby hard to allow homosexuals to serve in the U.S. military, was God’s man for the hour. He claimed God was going to give Clinton the power of the Holy Spirit to lead America away from a New World order.” I remember that time and people of my local church being swept up by this. Lord, please for the sake of all believers, please silence all of these false (even, well meaning) prophets from having a platform to speak anywhere.

Convict those that are yours to stop and repent. Expose the willful false prophets in public so that they are forced to leave the rest of us alone. Kill the wolf among the sheep Lord.

Ralph Winestock April 9, 2016 at 9:58 pm

Absolutely true! All that you say here.

I’ve seen so many a shipwrecked faith as a result of not pursuing truth. And when the truth is confirmed, what an awesome testimony it becomes. You don’t need many. People falling into the devil’s temptation that he offered Jesus when he said you can have the whole world if you only bow to me. It is always Jesus that would/will get the credit for the authentic. Only that should rise to the surface and be exulted. You are right.

So many that sincerely have the gift of prophecy get sidelined by these chameleons. These folks may not start out this way either, but man was not made to be worshiped. And the church gets behind the stuff and the pressure is on to perform and be known. So deceptive and so wrong. I stay clear now of all of this. I welcome true prophets. But, I confess, I want to know everything I can about their background and track records these days before I get excited about anything. Test everything. Cling to that which is good. I’m writing this as Azuza Now is going on and I’m worried about false revival taking another measure of good and turning it around. I’m not saying that these are false at all. I’m saying that one who “studied” under Paul Cain worries me, even if he’s right. I cringe and worry for this man’s soul walk.

Barbara February 21, 2016 at 11:13 am

This is terrifying! Who can be trusted?

Where in Kansas City can you go to church and receive Biblical truth? Mabey Briarcliff/Vernon Armitage….or….PleasantValley?


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This is the fruit of the ministries of Rodney Howard Browne and others who are laying hands on President Trump.

Michelle Bachmann's past associations with Lou Engle, mentioned here, show a lack of discernment on her part.

Same with a woman I will always admire, Sarah Palin, and her lack of discernment about the crazed counterfeits on The Elijah List.

I've come out of one of these "New Apostolic Reformation" counterfeit churches and frankly, I'd rather have cancer.

(And I did have cancer and the Lord healed me but that is another story.)

1 posted on 07/12/2017 7:12:12 PM PDT by Sontagged
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To: Sontagged

Time to reread the Letter from James.


2 posted on 07/12/2017 7:20:41 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: Sontagged

The Lord knows His sheep and His sheep hear His voice. I do not put my trust in any man or woman but in the Lord and his Holy Word.

Satan is going to attack and mislead many people who have a genuine heart for the Lord and it is up to our Heavenly Hosts to protect us from being deceived.

Therefore, I do not condemn ministers, even those whom I might disagree on some finer points. I am distrustful of any person who tries to smear handfuls of ministries that are being fruitful and bearing much fruit. By their fruit they shall be known and if the Spirit of God is not with them then they won’t be bearing fruit.

Let God be the judge for only He can judge all rightly.


3 posted on 07/12/2017 7:40:32 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Get used to it - President Donald J. Trump)
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To: Sontagged

Rick Perry is a bisexual and a willing servant of the New World Order.

We all knew that already.


4 posted on 07/12/2017 7:45:49 PM PDT by T-Bone Texan
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To: Sontagged

I did not read your whole post, but the post 4 hours ago regarding President Trump’s prayer meeting has few replies and I felt the same “oh brother” reaction as your headline.

I would steer anyone away from Brown or White.


5 posted on 07/12/2017 7:47:46 PM PDT by anathemized (cursed by some, blessed in Jesus)
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To: Sontagged

These constitute the most worrisome association DJT has been involved with. These apostates will take down Trump far more quickly than Maxine Waters or Charles Schumer.

The LJC is blasphemed because of these crazies.


6 posted on 07/12/2017 7:49:29 PM PDT by EliRoom8
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To: Sontagged
It would have been easier to state how to find a good church that teaches straight doctrine.

In Kansas City, you can't go wrong with KC Baptist Temple with Pastor Adams.

7 posted on 07/12/2017 7:50:44 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: OrangeHoof

Actually, Paul tells us that Christians are supposed to judge other Christians...

It is those who are not Christians that we are not allowed to “judge”... because “God is their judge”.

(1 Corinthians 5:12 BTW)


8 posted on 07/12/2017 8:06:42 PM PDT by Sontagged (Lord Jesus: please expose, unveil and then frogmarch Your enemies behind You as You've promised...)
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It’s all the same movement, not just in Kansas City; it started with the guy who laid hands on DJT, Rodney Howard Browne.

Like I said, I’d rather have cancer than have one of these people lay hands on me in Jesus’ name. They do not impart the Holy Spirit, but some other counterfeit.

Which reminds me: Lord Jesus I pray that any false impartation or anointing that was mistakenly or ignorantly accepted by our President, Lord God, I pray You have mercy and protect him, his family and his administration from this evil. In the name of Jesus, Amen.


9 posted on 07/12/2017 8:09:55 PM PDT by Sontagged (Lord Jesus: please expose, unveil and then frogmarch Your enemies behind You as You've promised...)
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To: Salvavida

How about advanced Bible doctrine more than once a week? The internet is the best place to look (eg. Chuck Smith, Andy Wood, Constable’s Notes, Guzik’s Commentary, Deffingbaugh at Bible.org)


10 posted on 07/12/2017 8:27:50 PM PDT by EliRoom8
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To: Sontagged

Take heart. and look at the group picture where everyone is facing the camera. There’s some solid believers there. We’ve just got to pray that the
nutjobs are kept away. Check out my post above regarding teachers on the internet. Let me know if you have other teachers to add.


11 posted on 07/12/2017 8:33:22 PM PDT by EliRoom8
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To: Sontagged

Ping


12 posted on 07/12/2017 8:58:56 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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I would have posted this so that everyone could know the Hall of Shame- http://so4j.com/false-teachers

Was really surprised Dallas Willard is on the list.

13 posted on 07/12/2017 9:01:53 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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The knights of Malta is a Masonic order underneath the Roman Catholic Church.I am Catholic but pay attention to purveyors of contemporary prophecy. Some of them do appear to have some insights. I read with interest the first portion of this piece and had no opinion on it because I know none of the people of whom the author writes. Then I came to the above quote. If he can say that with a "staight face" then there is no way I can take his word for anything else in the piece nor can I consider it worth my time to investigate any of it further. This is a Jack Chick sort of statement. It is made without knowledge of anything beyond the name of the organization and probably some vague idea that it is part of the Knights Templar which Protestant purveyors of prophecy see as some Eminence Grise over the world puppeted by the Masons.
14 posted on 07/12/2017 9:15:04 PM PDT by arthurus
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To: Sontagged

Thanks for posting this Sontagged. I wrote a book about this subject called Weighed and Found Wanting,putting the Toronto Blessing in context, I gave Jesus-is-Saviour.com permission to post it as an Ebola,you might find it. Interesting, good post


15 posted on 07/12/2017 9:33:12 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles (ore and rebuild Jerusalem)
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I am not familiar with many of those named in this article but let me start with the one I am most familiar with - Campus Crusade for Christ.

First of all, the founder is Bill Bright, not Bill Right, so the author is incorrect in the very first sentence. Mr. Bright died in 2003 so, like some wayward churches that began well, it may be possible that the organization has chosen a wrong path but I have no knowledge or evidence of that. However, the accomplishments of Mr. Bright do not need to be smeared in this way, nor do others like Dr. James Dobson whom have clearly preached and practiced a Christ-centered life at great personal cost.

From Campus Crusade, now known as CRU, were spawned great Christ-filled organizations like the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, the Jesus Film Project and Josh McDowell Ministries. If a few bad apples have fallen away, we have the example of Jesus’ own apostles to know that not everyone who starts out a great saint endures to the end.

I would stack Mr. Bright’s accomplishments against whomever Mr. Browne is. I am saddened deeply yet not surprised that there are hypocrites and liars trying to smear his name and reputation (even while getting the name wrong).

I don’t doubt that there are fraudulent ministries out there and I, frankly, care more about the log in my own eye to be so concerned about the speck in someone else’s eye.

I firmly believe that the only way Donald Trump could have possibly overcome all the advantages Hillary Clinton had in the presidential race was by divine providence. This election (and George W. Bush’s 1980 victory) had all the hallmarks of God showing His majesty by raising up the humble and defeating the proud and corrupt. I think President Trump is mindful of this and, though he is far from perfect, is sincerely seeking God’s wisdom as he endures the withering attacks he receives day after day.

Whom He chooses to pray with is far less important to me than the fact he actually calls ministers and staff to pray with him and for him. May God continue to bless our President and defeat his enemies, including those who come in sheep’s clothing.


16 posted on 07/12/2017 10:25:37 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Get used to it - President Donald J. Trump)
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I firmly believe that the only way Donald Trump could have possibly overcome all the advantages Hillary Clinton had in the presidential race was by divine providence. This election (and George W. Bush’s 1980 victory) had all the hallmarks of God showing His majesty by raising up the humble and defeating the proud and corrupt. I think President Trump is mindful of this and, though he is far from perfect, is sincerely seeking God’s wisdom as he endures the withering attacks he receives day after day.

Please all, remember to hold President Trump up in prayer.

17 posted on 07/12/2017 10:29:28 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: thecodont

Correction: I meant George W. Bush’s 2000 victory (although Reagan’s in 1980 wasn’t half bad either).


18 posted on 07/12/2017 11:34:28 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Get used to it - President Donald J. Trump)
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To: EliRoom8; pastorbillrandles

Yes. But the leaders know that Paul says every Christian is to be “ambitious to prophesy” their counterfeit movement is fueled by undiscerning believers who believe the gifts are for today and those “cessationists” who believe the gifts of the Holy Spirit were somehow only for the first century Church.

The gifts are for today (else-wise Peter’s proclamation about the fulfillment of the prophet Joel at Pentecost would be meaningless) but this movement is counterfeit and it is fueled by a counterfeit spirit.

I believe the spirit that gives this movement “prophetic utterance” is what the Bible refers to as “a familiar spirit” i.e. a religious daemon.

These people are greedy false prophets who “make merchandise” off unsuspecting sheep.


19 posted on 07/13/2017 12:03:09 AM PDT by Sontagged (Lord Jesus: please expose, unveil and then frogmarch Your enemies behind You as You've promised...)
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Apostleship for today??? Healing, as in Peter’s and Paul’s use, not Oral Roberts?

When you say the gift of prophecy is for today then you’d better add some more pages to the Bible. How precise are these continuing prophets. Do they admonish you to leave Antioch and go evangelize or something like,
“Listen, dear children, be loving for God is love. He hears your prayers and goes hither and thither like the wind bestowing His gracious love on all of us.” (mumbo, jumbo, which anyone who gets the pitter patter rhythm could produce.)

Then someone else comes along and says God told him we should bark like dogs. Then we push the hard work of Bible exposition aside for the carnival show before us.


20 posted on 07/13/2017 12:53:11 AM PDT by EliRoom8
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