Posted on 01/27/2018 6:52:30 AM PST by tiredofallofit
The Bible is a wonderful tool that makes the journey easier.
But it is about the journey and not the tool.
No wonder Moses wandered in the Desert for forty years as he did not have the New Testament as a roadmap!!!
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No, it doesn't.
But if you really believe that statement, then please point me to a verse in the KJV, or any version, that says in order to receive eternal salvation, you have to read the scriptures.
I sure do.... But it is like interpreting the Bible. You must look at the environmental setting, the culture and customs, the history and the human nature of the parties involved. Only when you grasp the greater picture can you achieve greater understanding.
I was merely pointing out that building a straw man is much like building a parable. They are both meant to be representations of a situation or argument serving to provide a differing perspective in order to sway the opinion of others.
Truth, just as the opinion as to who is the straw man, is often in the eyes of the beholder.
Let me spell it out as simply as possible:
1. KJV Onlyists believe that there was not an inerrant/inspired translation of the New Testament until 1611.
2. KJV Onlyists believe that other translations are corrupted or downright heretical.
3. Before the 16th century, most believers only heard passages from the Latin Bible(Vulgate) which was read to them by the Catholic Clergy.
4. If no one, including the Catholic Clergy, had access to an inspired and inerrant version of God’s word, then how could they be saved? If they were listening to a corrupted an inaccurate text, then what was hope was there for them?
My point is - to say that God’s Word was not “made” accurate until 1611 throws a whole bunch of billions of people before that time under the bus.
“read the scriptures” is the key restricitve phrase.
Learn the word of God is the general truth.
It doesn’t matter if you read, hear, feel through braille, or through the Holy Spirit directly as an epiphany, you must learn the word (thoughts) of God.
However, Let’s go back to John 1 and determine what is a “Word?” A word is merely a metaphor for a pattern of consciousness that influences your consciousness to align in understanding. The Holy Spirit is God’s Consciousness and it works directly without words. That is what an epiphany is. No words, you just know.
Before you post anything else about a straw man, you really should do a simple Internet search and discover what a Straw Man logical fallacy is. Until then, you are embarrassing yourself with posts about a straw man that make it clear that you do not know what it is.
You are correct. Selah
This is getting tiresome. The article is claiming that KJV Only adherents say that without the KJV, a person cannot be saved.
The problem is that nobody has actually claimed that. And because of that, the article’s main premise is a Straw Man.
So, if you can find a link to someone in the KJV Only movement who actually said what the article is claiming, please post it. If you can’t, and the article certainly didn’t, then you might as well stop posting non-responsive statements to me.
Thank you, brother (or sister).
As for me, I believe that the KJV is not inerrant, but the Word of God IS inerrant, and the KJV is the most accurate of all the translations.
There is coming a real supernatural event, when those who have died as believers in Jesus as their Savior are brought from Heaven, and we who are alive then are gathered together with those returners -who have been given new bodies, up into the CLOUDS to meet The Lord in the air and return to The Father's House where there are many rooms. (See 1 Cor 15:51-53 for reference)
Onlyism of any kind never made sense.
LOL ... now you’ve done it!
True Story: I was reading the description in the Bible about King Solomon's temple. It is very hard for me to follow, and I happened to say aloud to my husband, "I wish I had a drawing or a sketch to compare the temples with the Herod temple and Moses Tabernacle. The next day someone on FR posted an article with drawings comparing the different temples. (My hubby does not FR).
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.
Now may the Lord of peace himself give you peace at all times and in every way. The Lord be with all of you.
I also like Matthew 24; 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
I’ve just read all the scriptures you mentioned and agree with them. They are the truth. Sorry, I do not agree with your interpretation.
Whenever this happens, it’s ok. I just ask people to pray for me that I may gain better understanding of scriptures. It’s a win-win outcome.
Blessings
Read about the translators. I am not an only I just think that for English speaking people it is the best and most faithful translation
You're kidding. Rather arrogant assessment of the KJV and its translators.
Thank God for William Tyndale and his courage.
“Years ago, I did a considerable amount of research into KJV Only and I do not recall anyone claiming that a person had to read the Bible in order to receive eternal salvation.”
“If I am correct, then this article is a very long Straw Man logical fallacy.”
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In my forty+ years of studying religion and visiting as many diverse denominations as possible, every single group that claimed “Our interpretation is the best” went further and added that you can not be saved unless you accept their doctrine.
I found the same to be true in the “Sacred Name Movements,” “The age for proper baptism groups,”” Saturday Sabbath Groups,” and “ The most important sacrament groups.”
I will go further and say that I observed the same in Catholic, Buddhist, Muslim and Hindu groups. If you were not following their specific path, you would not be saved/enlightened. The only place where I found this was not the experience was in the Unitarian and Universalist groups, which often had no fixed doctrine.
I do not agree with you that this is a straw man argument. I’ve spent time with KJ Only groups. They are as the author described. The author’s premise is correct from my personal experiences. However, within the KJ Only groups there is great variation. Not all are on the same page.
Matthew 24:9“Then they’ll hand you over to suffer and will kill you, and you’ll be hated by all the nations because of my name. 10Then many people will fall away, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11Many false prophets will appear and deceive many people, 12and because lawlessness will increase, the love of many people will grow cold. 13But the person who endures to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.” (Jesus leads these men through what is coming for them, then what is coming during The Church/Ekklesia Age, then the END. What will be proclaimed through the whole world? The Gospel of Grace, the end of that period of Grace, and the coming Kingdom, just as I am offering to you right now.)
Matthew 24:15“So when you see the destructive desecration, mentioned by the prophet Daniel, standing in the Holy Place (let the reader take note), 16then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. 17Anyone who’s on the housetop must not come down to get what is in his house, 18and anyone who’s in the field must not turn back to get his coat. (Jesus now focuses their attention and really OUR ATTENTION, since the Disciples did not witness this in their body back then, focuses on the event in the Tribulation period when the Beast stands in the Temple proclaiming himself god!)
Matthew 24:23“At that time, if anyone says to you, ‘Look! Here’s the Messiah!’ or ‘There he is!’, don’t believe it, 24because false messiahs and false prophets will appear and display great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25Remember, I’ve told you this beforehand. 26So if they say to you, ‘Look! He’s in the wilderness,’ don’t go out looking for him. And if they say, ‘Look! He’s in the storeroom,’ don’t believe it, 27because just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there’s a corpse, there the vultures will gather. (The passage you conflated with the gathering together in the clouds to meet the Lord in the Air and return to the Father's House is herein differentiated; that passage you referenced [Matt24:27] is descriptive of the second touchdown of Jesus upon the Earth at the end of the Great Tribulation.<)
If you have spiritual ears to hear, learn what the Spirit in Jesus's teaching is saying; stop conflating the return in the air of The Lord from Heaven, with the second touchdown of The Lord when those who were previously removed to the Father's House will be returning with Jesus at the end of The Great Tribulation.
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