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Another good one from Fr. Stephen Freeman.
1 posted on 03/13/2018 8:56:45 AM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

Reminds me of a reference in another of Lewis’ books, “The Great Divorce”, where the visitors to Heaven that had come on a bus for a visit from Hell. The visitors were screaming in pain as the grass was injuring their bare feet. They were too insubstantial to bend the grass. Therefore, the grass was like walking on nails.

Another Lewis reference I’ve always liked from “The Last Battle” describes the inside of something as being larger than the outside. I like that a lot.


2 posted on 03/13/2018 9:09:02 AM PDT by Prince Caspian
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

Trying to recall instances of when an angel passed through a wall.


4 posted on 03/13/2018 9:22:31 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

A rock going through air disturbs and displaces the air, not exactly like an angel passing through a wall. “More substantial” as in denser or more solid doesn’t seem to apply. A spiritual world that exists apart but connected to this one, only on a higher sort of level, makes more sense. Those in that one can see and manipulate our world, but we can’t touch or see theirs. In the book of Revelation, for example, events are explained through symbolic metaphors as the result of much greater spiritual forces, as if the physical world itself is only an afterthought. Perhaps analogous to the cosmological concept of dark matter, which is unseen by us but plays a greater role than actual matter in the structure and evolution of the universe.


5 posted on 03/13/2018 9:30:44 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Carpe Cerevisi
C.S. Lewis once discussed the question of how angels (and such things) could pass through a wall. His response was intriguing: he suggested that they could do so not because they were less substantial, but because they were more substantial. Just as a rock is more substantial than water or air, so, he posited, an angel (or such) is more substantial than our materiality.

Sure... If an angel were "more substantial" - i.e., had a density approaching that of, say, a Neutron Star - of course it could easily pass through a man-made wall. That ought to be evident to everyone!

'Course, that angel is gonna leave a pretty big hole in that wall! (Note to Lewis: Solid walls - unlike air or water - don't "close up" again).

Why take such a preposterous claim as the led (yes: led: a short summary serving as an introduction to a news story, article, or other copy) of an essay? It only makes everything that follows doubtful.

Regards,

7 posted on 03/13/2018 9:55:32 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

Vanity of vanity, all things are vanity.

Just say’n.

5.56mm


8 posted on 03/13/2018 9:56:02 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

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13 posted on 03/13/2018 2:15:13 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

If that’s true, what keeps them from falling through the floor?


14 posted on 03/13/2018 3:26:23 PM PDT by sparklite2 (See more at Sparklite Times)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi; All

> ...the question of how angels (and such things) could pass through a wall.

Quantum tunneling writ large ?


15 posted on 03/13/2018 7:00:58 PM PDT by ADemocratNoMore (The Fourth Estate is now the Fifth Column)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

>…for the things that are seen are transient, but the things that are unseen are eternal. (2 Cor. 4:18)

“Only things that do not possess a form
will be able to last in the river of time”.

From “Uta ni Katachi wa Nai keredo”
“Although My Songs Have No Form” by Doriko


16 posted on 03/13/2018 7:07:42 PM PDT by ADemocratNoMore (The Fourth Estate is now the Fifth Column)
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