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[Cath Cauc] Cardinal: Pope is ‘ice cold, sly Machiavellian, and, what is worse – he lies’
LifeSite News ^ | September 22, 2018 | Maike Hickson

Posted on 09/22/2018 2:54:31 PM PDT by ebb tide

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To: ThePatriotsFlag

yes, Francis does indeed appear (from afar, anyway) to be the church’s Obama...someone trying to tear her apart from within

i do believe he will not be successful, however


21 posted on 09/22/2018 4:07:42 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicians aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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To: sitetest

True.
It is an unfortunate tendency to treat Marx as some sort of defining point, and everything is either Marxist or not.
Marx was just one political theorist, and there was a left wing and there were statist systems before Marx and after him, that owed him nothing.

There are innumerable bad ideas that didn’t come from Marx.


22 posted on 09/22/2018 4:27:10 PM PDT by buwaya
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23 posted on 09/22/2018 4:28:18 PM PDT by poconopundit (MAGA... Get the Spirit. Grow your community. Focus on your Life's Work. Empower the Young.)
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To: sitetest

Didn’t he seek to nationalize the banks, and other industry?


24 posted on 09/22/2018 4:56:18 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Marchmain
"Eek, these words of a Vatican Cardinal are worse than any blogger or trad, and that is surely condemnatory."

Plus, "Der Spiegel" is one of the most widely circulated mags in Europe, left-liberal, roughly comparable to Time or Newsweek (but more influential).

For "Der Spiegel" to say this is OMG level.

25 posted on 09/22/2018 5:01:40 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (“In the end the Party will announce that 2 + 2 = 5, and you will have to believe it." George Orwel)
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To: buwaya; ought-six; sitetest; Boomer
And the way I heard it, Juan Peron was having his politically-ambitious nephew tagging along with him to learn the ropes. The nephew saw him tell a Right-wing group "You're absolutely right" in the morning, and tell a Left-wing group "You're absolutely right" in the afternoon. Then Tio Juan asked him is opinion.

"Tio Juan, This is totally unacceptable!" he emoted. "You agree with diametrically opposed positions, you pretend you're on everybody's side. This is so wrong!"

And Tio Juan nodded sagely and replied, "You're absolutely right."

26 posted on 09/22/2018 5:26:19 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (“In the end the Party will announce that 2 + 2 = 5, and you will have to believe it." George Orwel)
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To: ought-six

Yes, although this was more about national self-determination than about marxist creation of the international proletariat.

Many large companies were foreign-owned. As well, the government saw itself more as the intermediary between the corporate class and labor, rather than the creator of a classless society.

In the genealogy of really bad ideas, communism and marxism, and various forms of fascism, corporatism, national socialism, Peronism, etc., are related in various ways (Mussolini was originally a communist, after all), but they aren’t all the same, and they don’t all draw entirely from the same sources.


27 posted on 09/22/2018 5:30:18 PM PDT by sitetest (No longer mostly dead.)
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To: sitetest

Yes, I am quite familiar with the differences between fascism, socialism, and communism. Marxism, in a nutshell, is just the theory that capitalism must give way to socialism, which must give way to communism (which Marx saw as the purest form of socialism). Stalinism and Leninism are both communist ideals, but with a different power structure. Fascism is a form of socialism but allows for some private industry, but that private industry can only produce what the state tells it to produce, and how much, and can only charge what the state says it can charge. All in all they are ALL nightmarish concepts. Give me capitalism any day.

But, you know what? I may have been thinking of Allende in Chile instead of Peron in Argentina.


28 posted on 09/22/2018 5:38:12 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: sitetest

Well, I prefer the broader term “typical Jesuit left wing hack,” but your more precise description is serviceable as well


29 posted on 09/22/2018 8:41:17 PM PDT by j.havenfarm ( 1,500 posts as of 8/10/18. A FReeper since 2000; never shutting up!)
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To: Marchmain; ebb tide
Just saw more details here, at the Catholic Herald:

"19 page full report, headlined “Thou shalt not lie” and subtitled “The silence of the shepherds”, attacks the Pope’s handling of the abuse crisis and his attempted Church reforms."

Really, it's shameful, and yet I feel a grim satisfaction, even gratitude. I hope my reaction is a legitimate part of being one who "hungers and thirsts for justice", because I am convinced this unfaithful Pope needs to have his misdeeds exposed.

I hope it is for the best, this uncovering of evil at the highest spot in the Church.

I hope in the end he is repentant. Isn't that what I would want for myself?

Pray for Pope Francis; for his downfall and his salvation.

30 posted on 09/23/2018 1:26:20 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (What people will submit to, equals the exact measure of injustice which will be imposed upon them.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Your comments about Der Spiegel spot-on.

I hope in the end he is repentant. Isn't that what I would want for myself?

Pray for Pope Francis; for his downfall and his salvation.

Exactly the sort of behavior discussed in Romans 12:19-21.

31 posted on 09/23/2018 4:18:42 PM PDT by Sam_Damon
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