Posted on 11/08/2018 8:17:55 PM PST by foreverfree
Yep - they equate the body to the soul that animated it...while memories and emotions try to tell you something else, once the soul leaves all that is left is a chunk of dead meat.
you missed my point entirely.
your bible passages say nothing at all about sex in the context of heaven.
your bible passages say nothing at all about peanut butter and jelly sandwiches either in the context of heaven.
so neither you nor i nor anyone else has any argument for either in the context of heaven, since neither is mentioned in the bible in the context of heaven.
kapisch??
this is basic logic 101.
your error is conflating sex with marriage. those are two different concepts. like apples and oranges.
cheers!
Man, I hope there are peanut butter (chunky) and jelly sammiches in Heavan. That would be great.
but the bible does not mention chunky in the context of heaven either. so according to alexander, no chunky in heaven for any of us!!
(psst, personally i hope there will be plenty of chunky and creamy peanut butter for everybody in heaven! but just keep it a secret and don’t spread it around, ok? -lol)
I ran a question to that effect past mom and she said (perhaps not paying attention), “I don’t think God’s worried about that.” This has shaken my faith.Will my mom and I lose the teeth we’ve lost and are about to lose for eternity? What about amputees such as my mom’s aunt/my great aunt, who died in her 80’s in 1981, legless and blind from diabetes? Will they remain limbless in heaven?
Please help me on this.
But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?” (--your question-- 36 You foolish person! (--Paul's answer, but keep reading.---) What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37 And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain. 38 But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body. 39 For not all flesh is the same, but there is one kind for humans, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish. 40 There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.
So is it with the resurrection of the dead.
Etc.
Paul doesn't answer your question directly, but says it's not the question you should be asking.
I certainly think that we should show respect to the bodies of the dead though I don't agree with the kind of morbid use of body parts (i.e.,"relics"). We know from Scripture that there is a separation between the body and the soul as for example when Jesus warned about those who could destroy the body but not the soul vs. God who could do both.
My husband is a retired firefighter and he has been present when death happens to a person. He said it is like a light goes out and the "person" isn't there anymore. All that remains is the outer shell - the chunk of dead meat that begins decomposition immediately.
We have a dearly loved senior cat whom I have been preparing my heart to lose one day in the not too distant future. I'm not sure what we will do with her body when that happens.
Interesting conversation. We know from Scripture than God created male and female and that sex was in the context of marriage and procreation. Now obviously humans have sex for many reasons other than having babies but we are commanded NOT to commit adultery (sex with someone other than ones spouse) as well as fornication (sex with someone when one isn't married to them). It's for these reasons that I don't think we will be having recreational sex in heaven. There won't BE marriage and there certainly won't be procreation. But what I DO know and hope in is that But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. (I Cor. 2:9)
Yeah but will it stick to the roof of your mouth??? ;o)
When we take special care with the body afterwards, it is purely for us, the living, as an attempt to show some respect/love for the memories if the departed.
I have been to some large family funerals, some bordering on Southern Gothic. All of us kids have decided that there will be no open mike at any time during the calling, the funeral or the meal afterward.
Because ... yeah. No. Just no.
Back to the original discussion ... I do like to think that when FIL passed the Lord came to him that night, took him by the hand and said “Eugene, rise and walk.” Because Dad had been unhappily wheelchair bound for the last couple of years. It was comforting to imagine him finally free and free of pain.
I hope my dad got his mountain back.
My mom and sister tormented him into selling it and he constantly told me he wished he had never done so.
Without that cabin and land to tend, he was broken and just seemed to fade.
The constant work that kept him strong was gone and his last months were nothing but pain.
bump for later
St Thomas Aquinas fleshed out the scriptures on this very topic in Summa Theologica, III, Q 54.
Article 1. Whether Christ had a true body after His Resurrection?
Answer: (Luke 24:37) that when Christ appeared to His disciples “they being troubled and frightened, supposed that they saw a spirit,” as if He had not a true but an imaginary body: but to remove their fears He presently added: “Handle and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as you see Me to have.”
[I]n order for it to be a true resurrection, it was necessary for the same body of Christ to be once more united with the same soul. And since the truth of the body’s nature is from its form it follows that Christ’s body after His Resurrection was a true body, and of the same nature as it was before.
Article 2. Whether Christ’s body rose glorified?
Answer: (Philippians 3:21): “He will reform the body of our lowness, made like to the body of His glory.” (Luke 24:37) that when Christ appeared to His disciples “they being troubled and frightened, supposed that they saw a spirit,” as if He had not a true but an imaginary body: but to remove their fears He presently added: “Handle and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as you see Me to have.”
Article 3. Whether Christ’s body rose again entire?
Answer: (Luke 24:39) while addressing His disciples after the Resurrection: “A spirit hath not flesh and bones as you see Me to have.” Christ’s body in the Resurrection was “of the same nature, but differed in glory.” Accordingly, whatever goes with the nature of a human body, was entirely in the body of Christ when He rose again. Now it is clear that flesh, bones, blood, and other such things, are of the very nature of the human body. Consequently, all these things were in Christ’s body when He rose again; and this also integrally, without any diminution; otherwise it would not have been a complete resurrection, if whatever was lost by death had not been restored. Hence our Lord assured His faithful ones by saying (Matthew 10:30): “The very hairs of your head are all numbered”: and (Luke 21:18): “A hair of your head shall not perish.”
Article 4. Whether Christ’s body ought to have risen with its scars?
Answer: Our Lord said to Thomas (John 20:27): “Put in thy finger hither, and see My hands; and bring hither thy hand, and put it into My side, and be not faithless but believing.” He kept His scars not from inability to heal them, “but to wear them as an everlasting trophy of His victory.” Hence Augustine says (De Civ. Dei xxii): “Perhaps in that kingdom we shall see on the bodies of the Martyrs the traces of the wounds which they bore for Christ’s name: because it will not be a deformity, but a dignity in them; and a certain kind of beauty will shine in them, in the body, though not of the body.”
It seems that our glorified bodies will be human bodies, but incorruptable and perfect. The exception may be the saints who suffered for Christ, as their wounds will not be ugly, but marks of exceptional beauty.
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