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[Catholic Caucus] The Ancient Mass in “House Churches” Was Not as Informal as Many Think
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 03-26-19 | Mark Rothe

Posted on 03/27/2019 9:23:21 AM PDT by Salvation

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No video today, but lots of good information.
1 posted on 03/27/2019 9:23:21 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Ancient Mass Ping!

Guest author, Mark Rothe.


2 posted on 03/27/2019 9:25:05 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
For in the Church it is necessary to have discipline, sober vigilance, and attentive ear to the Word of the Lord.

Question for all the faithful: is the Holy Sacrifice offered in your parish with discipline, sober vigilance, and an attentive ear to the Word of the Lord?

3 posted on 03/27/2019 9:31:55 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain

Well, no. But my pastor begins his homily every week with a real knee-slapper


4 posted on 03/27/2019 9:59:30 AM PDT by j.havenfarm ( 2,000 posts as of 1/16/19. A FReeper since 2000; never shutting up!)
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To: Salvation

I’m very grateful seeing an informative post as this one is.

The teaching of the Mass, it’s parts, it’s ascending drama, the movements of the priest, and the Altar boys, the meaning of TWO sides of the Altar for the Readings, and many other pious representations, in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, unfold the history of God’s hand on the people of God, of the Hebrews of the Old Testament and the promised coming of the Messiah of the New Testament, all broadly suppressed and unknown in our Modern Church, today.

*Knowing* the old movements and parts of the Mass, and Knowing the inaudible prayers of the priests actually Teach the faith, wholly apart from and even in the absence of a fine “homily”.


5 posted on 03/27/2019 10:10:20 AM PDT by RitaOK (Viva Christo Rey! Public Ed & Academia are the FARM TEAM for more Marxists coming, infinitum.)
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To: Salvation

Considering the ancient archeology site in question is in what is now present day Syria, which has seen ISIS up close and personal, it is a miracle it survive as a archeology site.


6 posted on 03/27/2019 10:13:22 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Salvation

Interesting post. I notice how similar the structure is to the traditional “four room” house of ancient Israel.


7 posted on 03/27/2019 10:27:05 AM PDT by Varda
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To: NorthMountain

I’ve very glad to say: yes.

And the Eucharist is treated with deep reverence.


8 posted on 03/27/2019 11:13:10 AM PDT by agere_contra (Please pray for Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: NorthMountain
Yes, but then I attend a Traditional Latin Mass.
9 posted on 03/27/2019 11:15:10 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney (Colonel (Retired) USAF.)
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I attend Mass (daily or Sunday) at any of 4 different locations, 3 NO and one Latin. Latin, of course is a “yes”. Of the 3 NO locations, one is a definite “no”, the other two “yes”.


10 posted on 03/27/2019 11:26:01 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Salvation

The Church I was baptized in 58 years ago was built so that the congregation faced East.

About fifteen years ago they tore down the old church and replaced it with one of the new and repugnant church-in-the-round designs with the alter on the South side of the building and the tabernacle in a closed in glass room located behind the pews.

It brought me to tears to have my mother’s funeral mass in that building.


11 posted on 03/27/2019 11:26:56 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: NorthMountain

Yes


12 posted on 03/27/2019 11:31:37 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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the real mass was not in Latin at first. The purpose of pentecost is so the apostles could preach the gospel in the native tongue of the listener. The worldwide Latin mass was imposed later so that the poor and illiterate couldn’t follow because they couldn’t read and only clergy and the wealthy understood latin.

The printing press and books and missiles helped people catch up. But one of the blessings of Vatican 2 was the local language mass returning to the original message of pentecost.


13 posted on 03/27/2019 11:39:01 AM PDT by morphing libertarian (I maUse Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: Salvation

I’d be interested to see the source documents on this. I presume someone had written down some details of how the early Mass was conducted.

That blueprint looks like a building that was specifically constructed to be a church. It does not appear to be very functional as someone’s house.


14 posted on 03/27/2019 12:43:28 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Read the Justin Martyr section in the book “Four Witnesses” by Bennett


15 posted on 03/27/2019 12:50:02 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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The worldwide Latin mass was imposed later so that the poor and illiterate couldn’t follow because they couldn’t read and only clergy and the wealthy understood latin.

ROFL!!!!

What language do you suppose the poor and illiterate of ancient Rome spoke?

16 posted on 03/27/2019 1:02:04 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain

The apostles were not in rome at the time of the Pentecost and many of them never were.. You need a redial course on the early church and the languages of the eastern Mediterranean circa first century . ROTFLMAO yourself.


17 posted on 03/27/2019 1:07:03 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( Use Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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the real mass was not in Latin at first.

Correct, it was in Greek.

The worldwide Latin mass was imposed later so that the poor and illiterate couldn’t follow because they couldn’t read and only clergy and the wealthy understood latin.

Latin replaced Greek in the Western empire because Latin was the language of the common people in the West.

18 posted on 03/27/2019 1:09:01 PM PDT by Campion ((marine dad))
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To: morphing libertarian

OK. Now tell me, what language do you suppose the poor and illiterate of ROME spoke?


19 posted on 03/27/2019 1:10:30 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: morphing libertarian
You need a redial course on the early church and the languages of the eastern Mediterranean circa first century

The West spoke Latin. The East spoke Greek. The Westerners wanted Mass in their own language. What is possibly controversial about that?

20 posted on 03/27/2019 1:10:34 PM PDT by Campion ((marine dad))
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