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To: dartuser
This is Jesus speaking:

Luk 11:11 If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish?

Luk 11:12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

Luk 11:13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!"

If you don't have the gifts of the Spirit, you can ask for them. If you don't want them you won't get them. If you ask, you will receive, you can become an effective Christian able to serve God and build the Kingdom. If not, then there will be nothing supernatural about your time pew sitting.

I don't know if you read my other posts. If you haven't, then you might back up and read them all.

66 posted on 08/06/2019 4:37:42 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles
And again ... there is nothing in text that mentions baptism in the spirit. Over and over again you sight passages that do not bring together the essential elements that you claim are there.

You cannot find a passage that explicitly mentions the baptism in the HS in the context of a greek verb in the imperative mood. It doesn't exist ... but in every case you have read into the text that which you want to see ... because you place your experience above the text of the Bible ...

67 posted on 08/06/2019 7:38:11 PM PDT by dartuser
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To: chuckles

Read 1Corinthians 12.
Paul lists the gifts. Saying one has ___ gift given by the Spirit... another has ____ gift given by the Spirit...etc. After he lists all the gifts (tongues only being one, not given to all) he says:
vs 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.

(as He, the Holy Spirit wills)! We don’t ask for the gifts. The Holy Spirit, not we ourselves, decides which gifts we get!
How sad that one group thinks we’re all supposed to speak in tongues and another group thinks No one is supposed to speak in tongues. It’s weird how people start forming churches around particular gifts. I’ve seen small group churches where all the emphasis was in Bible study (lots of teaching, knowledge gifts there) and others with emphasis on tongues and evangelism but scant teaching knowledge gifts. We need every part of the body and every gift in our churches.
Hands, feet, eyes... we need the whole body! Not everyone receives the gift of tongues. Not everyone receives the gift of teaching or helps or exhortation. But every believer indwelt by the Holy Spirit receives a gift or gifts.


70 posted on 08/07/2019 1:00:04 AM PDT by weston (As far as I'm concerned, it's Christ or nothing)
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To: chuckles

Read 1Corinthians 12.
Paul lists the gifts. Saying one has ___ gift given by the Spirit... another has ____ gift given by the Spirit...etc. After he lists all the gifts (tongues only being one, not given to all) he says:
vs 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.

(as He, the Holy Spirit wills)! We don’t ask for the gifts. The Holy Spirit, not we ourselves, decides which gifts we get!
How sad that one group thinks we’re all supposed to speak in tongues and another group thinks No one is supposed to speak in tongues. It’s weird how people start forming churches around particular gifts. I’ve seen small group churches where all the emphasis was in Bible study (lots of teaching, knowledge gifts there) and others with emphasis on tongues and evangelism but scant teaching knowledge gifts. We need every part of the body and every gift in our churches.
Hands, feet, eyes... we need the whole body! Not everyone receives the gift of tongues. Not everyone receives the gift of teaching or helps or exhortation. But every believer indwelt by the Holy Spirit receives a gift or gifts.


71 posted on 08/07/2019 1:00:57 AM PDT by weston (As far as I'm concerned, it's Christ or nothing)
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