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1 posted on 09/15/2019 1:53:27 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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I’m a lifelong Protestant, but the Catholic position is, in general, the right one on this.

At the heart of the abortion problem in our culture is a rejection of God’s design for marriage and sexuality. This includes treating children as an inconvenience or burden, and the desire to pursue unbridled sexual pleasure with no accompanying responsibility.

A Christian marriage must at least be open to having children. Raising children in the fear and admonition of the Lord is a basic Christian duty and fundamental way of serving God in every generation.


2 posted on 09/15/2019 2:02:38 PM PDT by unlearner (War is coming.)
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Are there connections between use and acceptance of birth control, and a decline in sexual morality?

I recall once hearing Jerry Falwell discussing birth control, and he said that birth control was part of intelligent family planning for married couples.

For married couples, is perhaps the important point to make. Rev. Falwall was not in any way endorsing sexual activity outside of marriage.

But has it been a slippery slope, from saying that married couples have a legitimate use for birth control, to saying that engaged couples who aren’t ready yet for marriage should use birth control, and then say that birth control should be moral and allowable for anyone involved in casual sex?

I have no firm answers, just posing some questions.

And other potentially hot question to think about, is whether to reject the concepts behind Humanae Vitae just because they were espoused by a Catholic Pope?


3 posted on 09/15/2019 2:05:14 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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5 posted on 09/15/2019 2:20:30 PM PDT by onyx
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I read it all and only wish to add that blackrobe lawyers in the US imposed contraception, abortion, and fag marriage on an unwilling society.

The first two empowered society to exterminate the next generation.

In contrast, read the Preamble to the Constitution.


15 posted on 09/15/2019 3:30:02 PM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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If married couples are having as many children as possible, more often than not it makes it impossible for the husband to follow the teachings of the Bible.

“1 Timothy 5:8 (KJV) But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.”

The Bible is clearer on this than it is regarding birth control. MUCH clearer. Having a kid every few years easily could force a man to engage in sin, i.e., not provide.


26 posted on 09/15/2019 4:18:33 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (A man's greatest strength is his greatest weakness.)
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The pill is now an abortifacent. It was invented as a contraceptive. The hormonal makeup has changed so the main intervention is preventing the uterine lining from increasing so the fertilized egg cannot implant.

You have sex... if you’re ovulating conception may occur... the embryo (fertilized egg) floats in womb... but cannot attach to the uterine lining. The embryo... which many consider a human being... albeit only a few days to a few weeks old... is then expelled from the womb with normal discharges.


35 posted on 09/15/2019 4:33:01 PM PDT by Marchmain (peace...pax)
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As far as I can figure, these groups still prohibit birth control within marriage: Old order Mennonites, the Amish, some independent Christian types, and Catholics. Not sure if the ‘quiver full’ thing is a group or philosophy. I don’t know of any nonChristian groups, at least to my understanding, but heck I’m no expert. It seems like a pretty uniquely Christian thing at this point, unless some of the other faiths also changed on the issue.

Freegards


41 posted on 09/15/2019 5:51:22 PM PDT by Ransomed
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There is one teaching that most Protestants readily recognize as Catholic, and it is usually received with derision: the prohibition of artificial means of birth control. The Protestants in my circles often disparage this teaching with little knowledge of Humanae Vitae, perhaps the most significant document to address birth control over the last one hundred years.

Yet evangelical (the only class that should be called "Protestant") families average the same number of children as Catholic ones.

44 posted on 09/15/2019 6:38:35 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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All forms of contraception are evil

Especially condoms and the pill


49 posted on 09/15/2019 9:26:19 PM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guvmint you get is the Trump winning express !)
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