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Biblical Edom unearthed: Not a myth, a historical reality
Christian Post ^ | 10/07/2019 | By John Stonestreet and Roberto Rivera

Posted on 10/08/2019 7:56:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: madison10

RE: Jacob placed his hand for the blessing on that of the younger son, Joseph did not like that, as he did not think as it should be, and moved his father’s hand. Jacob basically said, “I know what I am doing”

What exactly did Jacob favoring the younger son do for the younger son and his offsprings as opposed to the older son?


21 posted on 10/08/2019 10:39:49 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: rawcatslyentist

In the Joseph story, Reuben wants to save Joseph’s life and get him back safe to Jacob. While Reuben is gone, Judah persuades the other brothers to sell Joseph to the Ishmaelites. So at most 8 of the brothers wanted to kill Joseph.


22 posted on 10/08/2019 11:20:27 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Mr. K
...for a bowl of red stew. "

Can anyone point me to this in The Bible?

In Genesis 25:29, Esau returned to his brother, Jacob, being famished from the fields. He begged his twin brother to give him some "red pottage " (paralleling his nickname, Hebrew : אדום ‎ (adom, meaning "red"). Jacob offered to give Esau a bowl of stew in exchange for his birthright (the right to be recognized as firstborn) and Esau agreed.

23 posted on 10/08/2019 12:30:52 PM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Traditional Jewish understanding is that this is a reference to Joshua, who came from Efraim’s line, and to Mashiach ben Yosef, who will also be from Efraim’s line. Not a knock on Menashe.


24 posted on 10/08/2019 12:43:38 PM PDT by jjotto (Next week, BOOM!, for sure!)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Recently, a team excavating in Israel’s Timna Valley...” That name Timna caught my eye. IIRC, Juges 14:1 Samson went down to the town of Timnath and got one of his Phillistine wives. Probably the same area. The names Timnah and Timnath come up in numerous passages of scripture.


25 posted on 10/08/2019 1:30:39 PM PDT by Tucker39 ("It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible." George Washington)
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To: SeekAndFind

Gen 48:19 “...his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his descendants shall be a multitude of nations.”

Joseph got a double portion of blessing because Joseph AND his sons were given portions. Jacob favoring Joseph’s mother is the reason for the doubling. In Gen. 49 Jacob blessed all of his sons, the blessings were also prophecies, especially Judah’s, vs 8-12*: “you are a lion’s whelp” and “The scepter shall not depart from *Judah”
Judah is the ancestor of the Messiah, the Lion of Judah” and due to the sorry actions if his older brothers he became like the eldest son in the blessing. *Judah was no angel, BTW.

It is the Middle East in ancient times and definitely cultural. It does not necessarily fit for today.


26 posted on 10/08/2019 1:52:27 PM PDT by madison10
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To: SeekAndFind; BTerclinger
It's all been a big misunderstanding. God's got this. It's very simple how everyone will be able to get along soon, no finger pointing or I told you sos.

Psalms 133

1 A Song of degrees of David. Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!
2 It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;
3 As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the LORD commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.

These things take time. Then everyone will realize that Rebecca actually made the very first Purim costume, dressing up Jacob in Esav's Sunday best.

Jacob received the blessing of the dew of heaven. Esav thought (like every one else down the line) that he got ripped off, but his blessing involved the dew of heaven from above.

Attention to detail. I'm a big fan.

27 posted on 10/08/2019 4:31:55 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The pun is mightier than the s-word. Goy to the World!)
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To: Tax-chick

True; “Jacob” means “schemer”.


28 posted on 10/09/2019 2:00:34 AM PDT by Norski
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To: Norski

It does ... and I don’t see that his character changed all that much when he was renamed “Israel”!


29 posted on 10/09/2019 4:51:39 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Self-esteem has completely obliterated self-respect as a desideratum." ~Theodore Dalrymple)
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To: Tax-chick

“It does ... and I don’t see that his character changed all that much when he was renamed “Israel”!”


True. And he is in the genealogical line of the Son of God. As are murderers, adulterous persons, and at least one prostitute.

There is hope for us all.


30 posted on 10/09/2019 5:18:04 AM PDT by Norski
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To: Norski

Exactly right. Christ our only hope, Christ everyone’s hope!

Jacob’s story is a reminder that we need to be cautious about using Biblical figures as moral exemplars. I believe Jacob (and his ancestors and descendants) are genuine figures of history, and I think it’s wise to regard them with the same analysis we apply to any other historic (or contemporary) person.


31 posted on 10/09/2019 5:44:17 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Self-esteem has completely obliterated self-respect as a desideratum." ~Theodore Dalrymple)
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32 posted on 10/13/2019 11:24:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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