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New Methodism’s Inevitable Challenge
The Institute for Religion & Democracy ^ | 27 April A.D. 2020 | Mark Tooley

Posted on 04/28/2020 4:55:54 AM PDT by lightman

Kevin Watson, a sharp young traditionalist United Methodist at Candler School of Theology in Atlanta, has written insightfully for First Things about the denomination’s impending schism. His previously written books stress the importance of early Methodism’s small spiritual accountability groups and their application for today. His more recent book is Old or New School Methodism?: The Fragmentation of a Theological Tradition, which traces current divisions to the mid 19th century. I hope to review this book soon.

Here’s Watson’s conclusion in his First Things article:

The agonies of the United Methodist Church and their roots in Methodist history teach an important lesson. The dominant culture has little need for nominally Christian chaplains. Let the dead bury the dead, as Jesus teaches. We need an approach to cultural engagement and sexual ethics that is anchored by Methodism’s founding mission to “spread scriptural holiness,” rather than one that drifts along with and is determined by the prevailing cultural moment.

Watson recalls that early Methodism grew because it stressed personal holiness not social accommodation and political influence. By mid 19th century Methodism was so large that it had great societal impact often wielded for righteous causes, with Prohibition at the apex. But in this project to make America holy, Watson argues, Methodism was emasculated by becoming more culturally mainstream American.

The church itself became chameleonic, shifting hues based on contemporary preference. Even when fighting for social reforms, like anti-slavery, Watson asserts, mainstream Methodism was often late or reluctant in the game. Greater theological integrity and greater commitment to justice causes were often found with smaller denominations that broke from the main Methodist body, like the Wesleyan Church, which emerged in the 1840s. The same was true earlier for the Free Methodist Church, and much later for the holiness churches like the Nazarenes.

This history is instructive. But it’s important to recall that these breakaway Wesleyan denominations remained small compared to mainstream Methodism that eventually became The United Methodist Church. They retained conservative theology and distinctive evangelical subcultures. United Methodism, previously called The Methodist Church, was in contrast a great national denomination with millions of people. It was America’s largest Protestant communion until the 1960s when overtaken by the Southern Baptists. With greater size comes greater responsibilities.

It’s not unreasonable that mainstream Methodism, once paramount in USA Christianity, felt obliged to exert wider social leadership. John Wesley of course had himself always remained with Britain’s state church and from that vantage point fervently assumed a spiritually custodial stance towards the nation. His Methodist societies within the Church of England were Christian subcultures of spiritual renewal within church and society. But Wesley did not equate these societies with the church itself. The American Revolution forced him reluctantly to bless America’s Methodists as a distinct new denomination.

Unsurprisingly, the DNA of Wesley’s beloved Church of England, including this attitude of national stewardship, transferred into American Methodism, especially after its dramatic early decades of growth made it America’s biggest religious movement, not surpassed by Catholicism until later in the 19th century. A church that large cannot and should not evade the inevitable mantle of leadership and opportunity for societal influence. For 2000 years Christianity’s various branches, when they grew to prominence, assumed wider societal duties as they sought to incarnate Gospel teachings in various cultures.

Large church bodies with social leadership responsibilities of course inevitably face pressures to become respectable, to downplay their theological and ethical distinctives, to compromise. With size, influence, money and power come spiritual inertia and corruption. It’s the inevitable cycle of Christian and wider human life. Wesley in his own lifetime observed that Methodists as they gained respect and prosperity became more indifferent to the spiritual disciplines that brought them success. He himself, once viewed as subversive, became respectable and venerated, though he did not compromise his teachings. British culture, under redemptive revivalist influence, came to honor his mission.

Wesley constantly challenged inertia in the Methodist societies, often by expelling lax members. But he had no expectation of exerting such discipline throughout the Church of England. Wesley ultimately had to entrust this wider cosmic drama to Providence. The results were uneven, but Wesley’s disciplined exertions, always grounded in sound doctrine and ethics, overall renewed church and culture, with earthly and eternal consequences.

Wesley’s doctrinal and ethical discipline, with a wider universal spirit, must be an exemplar for the new global Methodism that will emerge from the coming schism. This new denomination won’t be a renewal society nor will it be a small sect. It will include millions of people in America and many more overseas. It will be numerically smaller than the old United Methodist Church but still among America’s largest religious bodies. It will rightly inherit Methodism’s historic expectation to care for and influence wider society. It should seek to be countercultural as every church should seek to resist worldly temptation.

But new global Methodism can’t and won’t be a subculture walled against the world. It will seek to reshape American culture, and other cultures globally, towards Gospel principles. Worldly culture and superficial respectability will inevitably seek to infiltrate the church. Resistance is an ongoing battle for every church in every place and time. The battle never goes away in this age. But we trust ultimately God will protect His church

As Watson rightly warns, we must heed yesterday’s lessons. How was once great Methodism in America brought low by spiritual, cultural and moral compromise? Its century or more of theological retreat must never be forgotten. But the lessons are not all negative. What became United Methodism was in many ways a mighty force for Gospel influence, where genuinely godly leaders often sought to remain faithful to doctrine and to be responsible stewards of American culture, to the extent they were able. Millions were blessed by their exertions, despite their mistakes.

In the new global Methodism we will need established leaders to exert wider societal and cultural influence in America and other nations. And we will need prophetic voices to challenge their human temptation to prevaricate in pursuit of worldly acclaim. The church cannot be fully itself without both this public witness and simultaneous internal challenge to it.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; methodists; schism; umc; unitedmethodist
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1 posted on 04/28/2020 4:55:54 AM PDT by lightman
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To: lightman

Let’s hope the Christians maintain control and led the world back to Jesus.


2 posted on 04/28/2020 4:58:10 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Albion Wilde; aberaussie; Aeronaut; aliquando; AlternateViewpoint; AnalogReigns; ...
In August of 2009 the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) estabalished a "Full Communion Partnership" with The United Methodist Church

Therefore:



Lutheran (EL C S*A) Ping!

* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.

Alleluia! Christ is Risen!

The August 19 date refers solely to the adoption of the gaysbian agenda, NOT to the “Full Communion” agreement.

3 posted on 04/28/2020 5:13:39 AM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: lightman

I wonder if the conservative group will retain female pastors.


4 posted on 04/28/2020 5:23:25 AM PDT by RealVirginia
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To: lightman

It must endlessly bug the mainstream liberal Methodists that conservative Methodism today is the more international, diverse, younger branch, while the liberals are old, white, and US-based.


5 posted on 04/28/2020 5:31:11 AM PDT by Demiurge2 (Define your terms!)
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To: Demiurge2

The mainstream liberal crew are mostly aging hippies.

The cure is coming...


6 posted on 04/28/2020 5:42:16 AM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: RealVirginia

“I wonder if the conservative group will retain female pastors.”

It will be the most telling point of how they intend to “rightly divide the Word” going forward. I doubt they’ll be able to walk that back since its got a lot of inertia plus the difficult reality being that the numbers say they don’t have the men necessary to fill the pulpits.


7 posted on 04/28/2020 5:55:03 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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the difficult reality being that the numbers say they don’t have the men necessary to fill the pulpits.

In one generation mainline Protestant ministry has gone from being a male dominated profession to being a female dominated one.

Not surprisingly 95% of the pastorettes are much more liberal than their male counterparts.

8 posted on 04/28/2020 6:07:11 AM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: lightman

A very good post on Methodism’s history and that history’s lessons for the Methodists today.

Unfortunately for most of the Methodists I know, they will be critics and not supporters of mister Watson’s opinions and conclusions.

They are part of the Methodists straining to be “relevant to society”, ignoring that societies are not forever nor are they intended to be forever, but Christian scripture and G-d’s lessons in it are for forever.

I think much of it starts when the religious relationship some folks have deepest is a relationship between an individual and their “church” and not the personal relationship with G-d.


9 posted on 04/28/2020 6:08:50 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

Well said.


10 posted on 04/28/2020 7:26:45 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs)
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To: RealVirginia

Even more important: Will they eschew Gun Control?

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/11/know-the-opposition-coalition-to-stop-gun-violence/

https://www.umc.org/en/content/ask-the-umc-what-is-the-united-methodist-position-on-preventing-gun-violence


11 posted on 04/28/2020 7:35:01 AM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: lightman
I had another 'moment of clarity' yesterday when I was informed that the resident bishop of the UMC's Virginia Conference had put out guidance that churches should not send out snail-mail cards and letters right now--due to COVID-19 fears.

It was a sad reminder that the UMC is part of The Establishment, meekly doing what it is told by the political and cultural elites.

12 posted on 04/28/2020 1:36:23 PM PDT by Lysandru
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To: lightman

Much of the story is also the case with the Southern Baptist Church, which is quickly apostatizing.


13 posted on 04/28/2020 2:07:39 PM PDT by fwdude (Poverty is nearly always a mindset, which canÂ’t be cured by cash)
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To: AppyPappy; armydawg505; bigbob; Bryanw92; CaptainMorgantown; carriage_hill; chajin; clee1; ...

Methodist / former Methodist ping!

To be added to or dropped from this list, freepmail Albion Wilde

14 posted on 04/28/2020 2:43:01 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (re: domestic supply chains: "We cannot outsource our independence!" -- Donald J. Trump)
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To: lightman

Looking at this current cult, it’s hard to believe that Methodism was once the foundation of the Charismatic Movement in Christianity, the old style which emphasized holiness as essential in the Christian life.

Now, it’s the “church of what’s happening now.”


15 posted on 04/28/2020 3:52:20 PM PDT by fwdude (Poverty is nearly always a mindset, which canÂ’t be cured by cash)
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To: lightman
Not surprisingly 95% of the pastorettes are much more liberal than their male counterparts.

And quite a bit more masculine looking too.

16 posted on 04/28/2020 3:55:08 PM PDT by fwdude (Poverty is nearly always a mindset, which canÂ’t be cured by cash)
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To: lightman

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17 posted on 04/28/2020 4:09:47 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: lightman

My mother was a cradle Methodist. The church as she described it was very formal with a structured liturgy and a beautiful traditional choir. It sounded like it was Episcopalian. My father-in-law was Methodist, but the minister at his little country parish was very casual and preached more like a Baptist. Does the Methodist Church my mother described still exist? Are there still “high church” Methodists?


18 posted on 04/28/2020 7:17:26 PM PDT by kalee
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Yes: The Order of St. Luke:

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=9-SoXrmLBJHv-gS0wZ64Aw&q=UM+%22Order+of+St.+Luke%22&oq=UM+%22Order+of+St.+Luke%22&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQA1D8CViPH2D4PmgAcAB4AIABAIgBAJIBAJgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXo&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwj54uv9yYzpAhWRt54KHbSgBzcQ4dUDCAg&uact=5


19 posted on 04/28/2020 7:23:57 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: kalee

Better link, directly to the Order of St. Luke:

https://saint-luke.net/


20 posted on 04/28/2020 7:36:44 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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