Such is the Pharisaic way to deal with the problem of Christian theology, just dismiss us as Pagans and Idolators. But the Christian teaching on atonement is rooted in the Torah itself, in Genesis,Exodus and Leviticus, all of which teach atonement by blood. What was the meaning of the first blood shedding in the garden of Eden?
Furthermore why was Cain’s offering rejected whereas Abel’s was accepted by God? What was the difference? How is it that the entire nation of Israel was delivered from Slavery? What was the God ordained sign of faith? The blood of the Lamb!
“The blood shall be a sign for you, on the houses where you are. And when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and no plague will befall you to destroy you, when I strike the land of Egypt.” (Exodus 12:13)
The Pharisees are lying when they discount the need for blood atonement. They have to lie about it, because modern “Orthodox Judaism” encoded it’s doctrine at the council of Jamnia, sometime after the Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed. They had to refashion Judaism, since the old Temple worship, with it’s Priests and sacrifices was no longer possible to practice. Now instead of Priests and Levites, there would be Rabbis. Instead of sacrifices of blood, (Life for life), there would be Good works,( Repentance, prayer, Alms). No wonder they are forced to discount blood as a necessity.
Leviticus ( In the Torah) flows with blood of sacrifice,
The Book of Leviticus, the book which is dedicated in detail to the sacrifices and atonement for sins, talks about atonement 49 times! Each time, the context is always the blood sacrifices. Why blood is so important to God? In Leviticus 17:10, God commands not to eat blood, and in the next verse, He explains why the blood is so important: “For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life.” (Lev. 17:11) (ibid)
I have heard Rabbis assert over and over again, that when Christians are asked “where in the Torah is the need for blood sacrifice taught?” that the only answer given of them, is Leviticus 17:11. Then the Christian is told that Leviticus 17 is not about atonement, but about dietary laws.
This is disingenuous, a straw man , easily knocked down. On the one hand, the Torah has much, much more to say on the subject, than Leviticus 17:11, although that is a powerful enough argument.
“And Moses took half of the blood and put it in basins, and half of the blood he threw against the altar. Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read it in the hearing of the people. And they said, ‘All that the LORD has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient.’ And Moses took the blood and threw it on the people and said, ‘Behold the blood of the covenant that the LORD has made with you in accordance with all these words.’” (Ex. 24:6-8)“Aaron shall make atonement on its horns once a year. With the blood of the sin offering of atonement he shall make atonement for it once in the year throughout your generations. It is most holy to the LORD.” (Ex. 30:10)
I could easily fill this page with quotes from the Torah which make the point that fellowship with God can only be attained by the blood of a perfect God appointed sacrifice. The Rabbis are lying to people. Those who once knew Jesus are in fact trampling under foot the blood of Jesus, as Hebrews warns. Even many Jewish Sages disagree with Singer, Skobac and others, according to this “One for Israel” article,
Even the Sages recognized this. Yalkut Shimoni says on Exodus 29: “There is no atonement but in the blood.” In tractate Yoma 5a it says: “And he shall lay his hand… and it shall be accepted for him. Does the laying on of the hand make atonement for one? Does not atonement come through the blood?” Rashi himself said: “There is no atonement without blood.”The Sages also recognized this principle and repeated it in Zevachim 6; Minchot 93; Sifra 4, and more.
Pharisees always come across so authoritative, pious and supposedly reverent of scripture, but I hope you can see on this all important concept, the Pharisees are actually lying about the Torah. Where is the reverence in that? In order to justify their existence as post Temple Jews, the Pharisees have literally downplayed a huge concept in God’s Torah, the importance of atonement by Blood sacrifice, appointed by God. This is a dangerous game, spiritually. Those impressed by the modern Pharisees who have renounced the blood of Jesus, will have eternity to regret their decision.
Reactionary post from last night or planned in your series?
Every Christian quote of the Torah or Talmud is out of context, mistranslated, or wrong - this includes quoting the Talmud and later sages.
Here is a short Jewish rebuttal to atonement through blood alone. So simple and cuts through eons of Christian conflation.
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This is the same nonsense that chrstianity has been spewing for two millennia.
Please note that Genesis, Exodus, and Leviticus do not authorize chrstianity. They authorize only their own commandments. The OP simply cannot get over this groundless assumption that the NT is the "fulfillment" of the "OT" and has the authority to definitively interpret it. This is a logical fallacy known as affirmation of the consequent, meaning the debater "proves" his thesis by simply assuming it is true from the get-go.
Some facts:
The Torah does not say "without blood there is no forgiveness of sin." That's from the epistle to the Hebrews, which most evangelical types conveniently forget isn't accepted by Jews or Noachides. Chrstianity must be proven from the Hebrew Bible which is impossible because the Hebrew Bible says nothing about chrstianity (except maybe in Deuteronomy 13 when it warns to reject any miracle or "fulfilled prophecy" which supposedly proves that the Torah is no longer in force). What the Torah says, and what chrstians misquote, is that it is forbidden to eat blood, because when one offers a sacrifice it is the blood which is the specific part of the sacrifice which makes the atonement. These are two entirely separate statements.
The ancient Israelites did not offer blood sacrifices every day. In addition to the seventy year Babylonian exile and other times when the Ark was temporarily stolen, during the forty years in the wilderness the Israelites only offered sacrifices at those places where they settled down for a time (they camped at Qadesh-Barne`a for 38 1/2 years). Whenever the tabernacle was disassembled and in transit no sacrifices were offered.
The actual chata't sacrifice itself, which is the actual sin-offering, only atones for sins that were committed inadvertently. They are completely useless at atoning for intentional sins.
And despite the dishonest attempt to make it appear that Torah Jews want chrstians or any other non-Jews to convert to Judaism, what non-Jews are permitted to observe and study is limited. The observance of Shabbat and holidays, as well as the use of ritual objects like tefillin, tallitot, and mezuzot are strictly forbidden.
And finally, what the OP and others like him simply refuse to consider is that the sacrificial service is for Jews only. Non-Jews are permitted, but not commanded, to offer the `olah (the whole burnt ascension offering). For non-Jews the only way to be forgiven of sins is to repent. At no time in all history has more than this been required of non-Jews.
Honestly, it's like trying to reason with a piece of wood.