Dear Fellow Theologians, What's the Difference Between "Faith vs Trust"

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[Cronos]

But the links show that the earlier manuscripts were already present,

https://www.thetextofthegospels.com/2017/01/some-manuscripts-say-problem-with.html

No sudden new discoveries that change everything.

[Elsie]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hebrew_Bible_manuscripts

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categories_of_New_Testament_manuscripts

[Elsie]

I’m still awaiting that ‘SCAM’ thing to be shown.

[Elsie]

Reply #50

[OneVike]

We are all sinners who fall short of the glory of God, or as some put it, short of the perfection God requires. Thus we all need Christ.

I separate the true Christians at the point where one defends their sins as if God condones them. To me that is pure blasphemy, because then you make God a partaker of your sin by claiming He sees nothing evil in it.

However, there is no difference in God’s mind between stealing and committing an immoral sexual act, which is defined any sex outside of a marriage between of one biological man with one biological woman. To GOD, sin is sin, and thus we all need Christ to reach HIM. Without reaching HIM we are lost.

It is not the fact you are a sinner that will keep you from God, and thus salvation, it is your refusal to admit you are a sinner, and refusal to repent of it.

Will homosexuals make it to heaven, yes, but so will alcoholics. It’s not he sinful nature of the flesh that will destroy our soul, but rather our refusal to continually go to Christ to be cleansed. Regardless of your personal sinful weakness that will keep you out, it is ones continued denial it is wrong and ones continuation of such sin. Once we are lifted to be with our LORD in heaven, then that sinful nature will be gone, because in Heaven we gain a new body that is pure.

I am an alcoholic, thus I stay away from alcohol, lest I allow it to bring me into hell, and an eternal separation from God. No different than having homosexual tendencies. It is not one’s homosexuality, but their continued practice of it.

The actual continued practice of one’s weakness to certain sins is where the line is drawn. You are either a slave to Christ, or a slave to your sin. I prefer to be a slave to Christ. Thus I do not practice my weaknesses, nor do I justify them.

I do understand there is a difference between alcohol and sexual immorality. One is an abomination, the other I believe can be enjoyed in moderation, but that moderation often times leads to more than enough, which then leads to other things which are worst than the first.

I share this, because I want you to understand we agree on the depravity of man. Where we disagree is in election. I will not get into that portion, because we both know for which I speak, since it comes down to the fact we are either given free will, or we are not. That in a nutshell is the main difference between those who follow Calvin’s teachings and those of us who do not.

God bless, and as far as being a heretic, I’ll leave that up to GOD to decide. I hold my judgement on who is and who is not heretical, for those who clearly teach doctrine born in the pits of hell. Those individuals are easy to know, if you truly know Christ.

GOD bless you and your’s.

Chuck (OV)

[OneVike]

Why would you ever use anything from wikipedia?

Even if they stumble upon the truth I would question it, and thus I never ever use anything they offer. Even if it may be true.

[OneVike]

Heck; the words I have used earlier in my life no longer have the meaning they used to have!

Take GAY

Thus the reason we often times see updated translations of certain translations, who's purpose is only to update the language as we continue to dumb it down.

One day, and it may have already happened, there will be a new translation for the ebonic speaking individuals who prefer to speak as if they are still living in the jungles of Africa, or the Amazon.

Just to put the discussion of, "Why another translation to rest, and why this one?" The men involved wanted a translation that was so close to the original, that mot people other than maybe even them could truly understand it. They wanted a translation they themselves felt comfortable using while they teach.

They were tired of telling their students, "Now the word used in this passage is close, but in reality the word that fits better for this situation is this word. So, now they will have a translation they can use, and share that they feel is closer to what they believe it should be.

Elsie, and anyone else reading this, if you look closely at the portions I shared in the post, you will see how, in some way it seems disjointed to an America English reader. But to them, and me, it makes perfect sense. I can follow it as good as if I am reading a standard bible written for a 7 year old to understand. Thus the degree of education of the Word one must have to feel comfortable reading the translation they are producing.

My job, as an advisor, is to keep them from going outside the boundary of the actual intent of the authors by stopping them from using any words in their translation that would be wrong. Thus my query on the difference between faith and trust in what they mean to readers.

They see no problem using trust in most cases, where as I do. I feel faith has a deeper connotation and more reverence that the word trust. This is why I wanted as many opinions as I could get. and boy did I hit the mark. I could almost write a book on the varying opinions and the reasonings I received, not just from the comments from my fellow Freepers, but from other forums I posted my query. I have well over 150 differing opinions I need to sort through. (90% agree with my take, but I must take all sides into account)

I have so much to consider, that I have not written an article on my blog since I posted this question.

[Elsie]

...an immoral sexual act, which is defined any sex outside of a marriage between of one biological man with one biological woman.

Jesus went a wee bit further...

Matthew 5:27-28 NKJV
“You have heard that it was said to those of old,'You shall not commit adultery.'
But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart.

[Elsie]

Why would you ever use anything from wikipedia?

Why would you ever use anything other than the KJV?

[OneVike]

Wikipedia is a left leaning dictionary e cyclop dis site that dies not allow conservatives a fare shake
NYU uses a Freeper, why would any Freeper stoop to their level of truth

KJV is just an early version that was not set out to tell lies or be wrong. It was translated long before many trace riots were discovered that have shown they were wrong on some things

Fir some of their passages they actually used the Alston Vulgate which is recognized historically to be in error

[OneVike]

In what way, thinking of, or fantasizing about, having sex with someone you are not married to is a sin

Nothing wrong with thinking of having sex with your spouse

[Elsie]

Tell HER that!

LOL

[OneVike]

In what way, thinking of, or fantasizing about, having sex with someone you are not married to, is it a sin

There fixed