Posted on 04/07/2021 6:01:32 AM PDT by Cronos
To read Maria Valtorta is to realize that the passionate devotion the Magdelene had to the Christ was at that point probably over weighted toward the personal. Understandable, given the mighty and successful effort made by him to retrieve her from a life totally devoted to the pleasures of the flesh and all manner of expensive earthly things to become, arguably, the most passionate and compelling proponent of the new Christian religion at that time. The author’s point is therefore worth pondering as the time had come for the Magdalene to take the next step in her faith journey and begin coverting herself into what she would become—an unparalleled example of the faithful ...but equally patient... penitent.
The following is Saint Jerome’s 4th century translation into Latin (Jerome had access to all of the original sources, Greek, Aramaic, Hebrew, etc., was fluent in all relevant languages, and was, needless to say, also personally brilliant), followed by the Douay-Rheims translation of Saint Jerome’s Latin into English some 1200 years later:
Dicit ei Jesus : Noli me tangere, nondum enim ascendi ad Patrem meum : vade autem ad fratres meos, et dic eis : Ascendo ad Patrem meum, et Patrem vestrum, Deum meum, et Deum vestrum.
Jesus saith to her: Do not touch me, for I am not yet ascended to my Father. But go to my brethren, and say to them: I ascend to my Father and to your Father, to my God and your God.
“I think it is generally accepted that Aramaic was the common language of the Holy Land at the time of Jesus (although there were some people who spoke Greek).”
I am pretty sure, from my reading, that you are right.
However, not to lose the relevance of Hebrew, read or spoken, yesterday or today:
Another wonderful post, we follow Msgr. Pope daily. I can add to his thoughts that since we are taught that Jesus was born with 2 natures - a human one and a divine one, that after His death on Good Friday, His human nature was no more. Only His divine nature remained and was ready to ascend to the Father. Just my thought.
Are you a priest or a Monsignor?
I think from his many years of theology and experience, he knows what he is talking about.
Do you?
He has a glorified body. Your assumption, I believe, is false.
Absolutely correct!!!!
it’s wasn’t about “polytheism is synonymous with paganism” as much as Jesus was strictly in a monotheistic environment.
“The way” was seen as continuation of Judaism. Heck it WAS a sect of 2nd temple Judaism. And that was sternly monotheistic. Jesus also preached in a very monotheistic way.
Yet at the same time He claimed to be God, forgave sins against God, accepted people worshiping Him.
And He said God the Father.
So the only logical explanation was the Trinity
Not really did Jesus say that in the old testament...
But He DIDN’T have a glorified body YET.
The last time all these people had seen him he was bloody from the scourging and hanging on a cross. Remember, anything is possible with God -- and Christ was fully human and fully divine -- in other words -- he was God.
I KNOW He was and IS God. Don’t browbeat me over that issue. I don’t see you offering an explanation of why He said it.
The guys on the road to Emmaus simply failed to recognize Him, that’s all. Haven’t you ever run into someone comletely out of context, forgetting their name and all that? No miracle is invoked when that happens.
It’s not an assumption, it is an observation. One that fits the facts better than your assumptions.
I think that reuniting with the Father was the second resurrection.
Thank you for posting those.
Colossians 2:9 is one of the clearest statements of the deity of Christ anywhere in the Bible: “In him [Christ] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
John chapter 1 speaks of God at the beginning was the “WORD” and verse 14 says “And the WORD was made flesh and dwelt amongst us”
This use of the term “Godhead” is the best notion in English we have that describes the trinitarian doctrine. It speaks of an intimate of all intimacies that exists between the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. The Greek term for “Godhead”{(theotes(all God in one flesh) in Colossians or theoin(everything that is God, Father, son, spirit) in Acts)} is an all defining term that takes up the whole of that which is of true Godly divinity and calls it “God”. It exists in it’s own place and was and is able to be expressed into our matter universe through Jesus “bodily”. In Jesus we see the character of the Father. Christ says he and his father are one as they are also One in the Spirit of God. As we are in Christ who is also one with the Father, then we are also one with the Father. Christ said that he had to ascend to the Father so that the Spirit would come to teach us all things. So we are told to strive to be One body in the Spirit who is also one with Christ and the Father so that everything is “all in all, with the Father being Father of all!”
In the end,it makes better sense not to try to “calculate it out” but rather to accept the reality of the Godhead trinity the same way we accept the reality of air we breath and the reality of the light that streams from the sun. When we do so in that manner, the Godhead(Christ having the fullness of the Godhead bodily) does start to make a certain sense over time as the Holy Spirit desires to teach us. And then, having built up a basic beginning inner sense of what is going on, the reason for Christ being the perfect end all and be all blood and flesh sacrifice for the sins of all mankind starts to snap more sharply into focus. If consecrated animals were sufficient to “cover” the sins of Israel then how much more efficacious is the blood of God in flesh in permanently cleansing the sins of human beings since it not just one man but the entire unity of the Godhead thru Christ being offered as sacrifice.
Christ is one with the Father and He the son. In a human sense Christ was all alone with the wrath of the Father poured out on the son for our sakes...yet in the Godhead way...The Son, the Father, and the Spirit were all one together as the Son suffered and died. Christ at one point cried out in the fear and loneliness of being abandoned(as many humans do when approaching death, they express a fear of being alone at death) by the Father in reality the Father was crying out as the son was crying out...sharing the same grief, the same shocking total awareness of the human process that is death that the son was experiencing in his flesh. The Spirit himself was affected having the same one-ness with the Father and Son and the whole of the elements was shaken...darkness, earthquakes,then the tearing of the temple vail and even the resurrection of many of the old Patriarchs.
Trinity and Godhead are the best terms we have to get a “remote” handle on the reality of God but while we humans can be given some inner notions(that will never crystallize into plain English) of what it all means, we are only created beings made by God. We have a hard enough time knowing ourselves and our own inner drives and to be able to see ourselves objectively in the light God gives us. God can give us enough info to satisfy our inner curiosity about his nature but forget about ever understanding the complexities of the Godhead in this life;...we would have to be “God” in order to understand what it is like to be God.
Yes, Jesus claimed to be God - both in front of the Sanhedrin (which is why the high priest tore his clothes and shouted out “Blasphemy”) and by calling himself “Yahweh” - which is why people wanted to stone him
John 8:58 [y]Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM.” 59 So they picked up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid and went out of the temple area.
I don’t get your point - are you saying that it should not be a monotheistic faith?
err.. which verses do Trinitarians avoid in your opinion?
What I cannot accept is that a state religion imposed even by a well meaning guy like Emperor Constantine which grew into an orthodoxy that ruthlessly stamped out all dissent in the later centuries can be considered 100% correct.
The Protestants don't believe this either and neither do most Catholics. The Greek Orthodox branch of Catholicism is probably the closest thing we have today to the church established by Emperor Constantine. And there are significant differences even there.
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