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To: imardmd1; ADSUM
"grape juice"? Have you any inkling how this is impossible due to fermentation?

You can drink grape juice only within a couple of weeks of the fall harvest season.

the only kind of wine was alcoholic wine. The Greek word, oinos, or wine, means wine. The Greeks had another word for fruit or grape juice, which was glukos.

There is no word for non-alcoholic wine in the New Testament. The word oino means fermented grape juice as there was no process for keeping any juice for more than three days without it fermenting. Teetotaling is simply not a part of the early New Testament belief.

Before refrigeration and pasteurization in the 1800s, they had no way to preserve grape juice past the harvest season of fresh grapes. The people made wine from the grape juice as a way to preserve it. The raw grape juice would ferment into wine if left on its own, but would probably end up as vinegar. (Actually most of the wine that wasn’t consumed with in a month or so likely ended up as vinegar.)

Two events in the Gospels prove that Jesus drank wine.

  1. The first is the wedding at Canna - the first miracle when he turned water into wine because the feast’s steward told Mary that he was running out of wine. So She turned to Her Son and said, “Wine.” He said, “Okay, Mom,” ordered the empty jugs and soon there was more wine. The Steward tasted it and said, “We put out the good stuff first and then when the guests are a bit tipsy, we serve the rot gut. But You have brought out the best for later. Wow.”

    This really doesn’t prove that He drank what he produced - but!

  2. In the second instance, Jesus is talking to a crowd about Himself and John the Baptist and He complains: “You guys make fun of John because he eats locusts and honey but complain that I go to parties and pig out and drink lots of wine.”

    Now for those who read the KJV, the actual AME is “…glutton and winesop…” Guess what “winesop” translate into: drunkard.

Your grape juice at your cult does rejects Jesus' teachings, so naturally also rejects history, right?

Are you, imardmd1, humble enough that you can bow before the Word of God, Jesus Christ who tells us to eat of His body, or will you follow your council of fallible, wrong-headed, religionists?

18 posted on 04/15/2021 12:50:13 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos
Are you, imardmd1, humble enough that you can bow before the Word of God, Jesus Christ who tells us to eat of His body, or will you follow your council of fallible, wrong-headed, religionists?

As soon as you quit calling Catholic priests FATHER.

25 posted on 04/15/2021 3:15:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
"grape juice"? Have you any inkling how this is impossible due to fermentation?
You can drink grape juice only within a couple of weeks of the fall harvest season.

So at Cana, Jesus made an intoxicating fluid, about 150 gallons of it, to make drunk people drunker? And because of it, people believed in Him as the Messiah? /sarc That's rich, Cronos. Go ahead, keep on writing--the words you post just keep on nailing down your level of intelligence and refinement.

Are you aware that the grape juice found on today's grocery shelf was made from the concentrate that was made by the same way that maple syrup is made?

I have on my cupboard a half-pint container of such syrup made by boiling down fresh grape juice to syrup. That was made in 1992, put in the little jam jar without sealing it except for the threaded lid. Once every year or two, I have opened it up to assure that it has not gotten any mold, taken out a spoonful, stirred it into some water to reconstitute it, and tasted it. It has always come back as unchanged, unfermented grape juice.

Now, for your information, this kind of process was used in ancient civilizations, and recorded in their documents.

But apart from that issue, and confronting your prejudicial viewpoint, Jesus' wine from water was freshly made from "living" water that would otherwise have been used for ritual cleansing and/or safe drinking. It was given no time or toe-jam filth for fermentation, and proclaimed as "good" by the caterer of the feast. The only way that it could have been intoxicating would be if Jesus had concurrently created ex nihilo the additive ethanol, an extremely unlikely unmotivated deliberate poisonous addition to the unnatyrally created "wine."

Your hypotheses about this situation are unneeded, unnecessary, irrational, unspiritual, and ungodlike. From another aspect, they are exactly conformable to a Satanic viewpoint, which your casual flippant narrative displays.

And contrary to your insistence, the Hebrew/Aramaic noun "yayin," transliterated in Greek as "oinos" and in English as "wine" is in those Bible languages a generalized term for any form of drinkable grape juice, intoxicating or not. This aspect is provable by both the Old Testament writings and the New. Your argument on this is incorrect. The state of the drink is either determined by the immediate context, or else it is indeterminate, open to speculation.

A mature review of the knowledge base of viniculture, its processes, and its products destroys your false, ignorant assumptions, Cronos, that mark your determined intent to mislead the FR audience.

26 posted on 04/15/2021 3:47:03 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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