Purgatory: Holy Fire - Continuing Ed

Catholic Education Resource Center ^ | 4-29-2021 | Scott Hahn - Biblical Scholar

[SoConPubbie]

I think that is the first time I have seen a whole book posted on FreeRepublic!

[ebb tide]

"Protestants" are mentioned nine times in this article.

It does not qualify as a "Catholic Caucus" thread.

The anti-Catholic might be Protestant, might be Orthodox, might be atheist, might be agnostic, might be just nothing.

[FreshPrince]

Scott Hahn...convert to Catholicism. Smart man.

[ebb tide]

Scott Hahn thinks the Holy Ghost is the mother figure in the Holy Trinity.

Scott Hahn, the Feminist

In our New Oxford Note “Burn, Baby, Burn!” (Sept. 2002), we took on the highly esteemed Dr. Scott Hahn for saying outrageous and scandalous things. We noted: “Feminist theologians and their Queer cheerleaders have been campaigning for a feminine Holy Spirit for decades. How odd — how depressing, actually — to see Dr. Hahn jump on the bandwagon.”

You see, Dr. Hahn regards the Holy Spirit as feminine or female. We commented: “Now, Mary was female, and if the Holy Spirit is female or feminine, then Jesus had two mommies, and presto, ‘gay’ is good and so is ‘gay marriage.’ Dr. Hahn goes so far as to say the Holy Spirit is ‘bridal’ and that ‘Mary’s maternity is mystically one with that of…the Spirit.’ The imagery here is blatantly and scandalously lesbian.”

[Bigg Red]

Okay, I give up. I read about 3/4 of this. It was far too long, far too wordy for me.

[Old Yeller]

Too much copy/paste for fiction.

[FroedrickVonFreepenstein]

Bkmrk

[ebb tide]

It may not be amiss likewise to find signs of this moral amelioration in the rich man in Hades who appeals to Abraham on behalf of his five brothers still on earth, in Luke 16. Remember the story of Lazarus and the rich man?

Yet, Bobby Barron sill hopes Hell is empty. The rich man got a pass, just like Judas.

[tired&retired]

I’ve been doing hospice work periodically for thirty plus years. I also died, went to Heaven and returned to my physical body in 1988. Heaven and hell are real, per se.

I’ve had people cry prior to death and explain that they were in fear that they were going to hell while in the transitionprocess. We prayed and the Holy Spirit entered their body and soul and cleansed it prior to death. When this happens, the person generates heat that feels as though you are sitting by a furnace as the Fire of the Holy Spirit cleanses their soul so it can go to Heaven. This process can take weeks, or just a few minutes depending upon the intensity of the Holy Spirit’s Light and the amount of sin in a person’s soul.
Without this cleansing, they are afraid of the bright Light of Heaven and their souls remain stuck in hell.

Hell is the experience of those who hold onto guilt, fear, or hatred which become obstacles to Love in their soul, creating the perpetual fear that the high frequency Light of Heaven will kill them. Often, these souls remain stuck as ghosts. I’ve helped thousands of these souls cleanse to enter the Light through prayer.

The high frequency of consciousness in Heaven will not allow an impurity that creates an obstacle to Love exist in Heaven. It’s like placing a dense object in a high frequency of a microwave. It heats up and catches on fire. Thus the perception of hell and the fear that evil souls experience believing that the “Light of Heaven” will kill them. This is the same reason that “Perfect Love casts out fear.”

This Love and Light energy from Heaven is what protects me while doing spirit releasement and exorcisms. This is why Jesus taught the importance of “Loving our enemies”, as evil is afraid the Love flowing through you will kill them.

This is all physical and real. Welcome to my reality ever since I died, went to Heaven and returned. It changed my perception of reality to where consciousness itself became a physical material object. The Bible is the truth and teaches us this process.

When a person dies, they need their connection to the Light of Heaven for their soul to expand beyond their physical body. This is the Light in the tunnel many survivors speak of.

The life review process is merely the soul absorbing the Light energy of Heaven causing it to expand through the stored memories in their soul in reverse sequence. This is what Paul was referring to in Hebrews 9:28..... it appears as a judgment as you get to see all the obstacles to Love and Light in your soul(i.e. sins).

These stored memories in other people’s souls became physical to me ever since my own death and visit to Heaven. Merely touching a sin stored many feet from a person’s physical body in their soul often knocks the person off their feet.

When people die near me, I get freezing cold as they are draining my soul energy to expand, until I help them find their own Higher Connection. This is why prayers for those who are dying are critically important.

Accept Jesus as your Savior, follow His teachings, and choose the Light of God. It’s a real experience.

🙏🙏🙏

[tired&retired]

The Holy Spirit is not male or female. It is both.

It is the inflow and outflow of energy in the soul that allows it to glow with Light. Just as a light bulb needs two wires, a source and a ground to glow, so does the Holy Spirit.

I see the Holy Spirit as a liquid golden swirling Light. It can vary in intensity like a bulb on a dimmer switch as the need of the moment requires.

The Light of Heaven is very, very bright. It is so bright in intensity that it is a Fire that impurities can not enter.

Just as Paul describes in Acts, there are many levels in Heaven. (He spoke of the third Heaven). My Father’s Mansion has many rooms. Jesus has prepared a room for us.

[FreshPrince]

I reject any teachings made by Clergy/Lay that contradicts the Magisterium. His musings are not infallible and he would never say so. Cant say the same for Protestant preachers endowed with the charism of infallible personal interpretation

[MurphsLaw]

Wow -Thank You for that T & R... that is some powerful testimony for sure. I don't see where or how your work runs afoul of the Church or with its doctrine though- if that's what you are feeling. Yout shouldnt.
Newman said :

“Conscience is not a longsighted selfishness, nor a desire to be consistent with oneself, but it is a messenger from Him (God), who, both in nature and in grace, speaks to us behind a veil, and teaches and rules us by His representative, a monarch in its peremptoriness. Conscience is the aboriginal Vicar of Christ, a prophet in its informations, a monarch in its peremptoriness, a priest in its blessings and anathemas, and, even through the eternal priesthood throughout the Church could cease to be, in the sacerdotal principle would remain and would have a say.”

To be clear, when Newman is talking about "conscience" he equates to "dutiful obedience to what claims to be a divine voice"- A TOTAL Trusting in God - where God speaks TO US... not through some human ideal, opinion or desire..no,no... Its HOW God is speaking to you as that person you are with is dying.. And no Clerical form can seek to hinder that...agreed..

The Church agrees with the meta-physical natures you describe- although our prideful limited human ideals - will attempt to confine the Spirituality of the Faith as manifested in the ways you describe- the Deposit of Faith cannot.
Anyone who says with an absolute definitiveness of how "this is to come" are just fooling themselves. We have been told what to expect, and how to prepare for it - but exactly how that comes about for each of us, we can never know. Though many pretend they "know". There will be suprises !, as CS says.

You see that clearly with those who are knowingly bout to depart this world.

You are a saint, to willing share in the suffering of those- having to go down into the dark dysfunction of our human failings just as Christ did for us on the Cross... but while its easy for me to say - It IS a blessing from God for you to be able to share in their death- as we do in Christ's.

While envy may not be the first emotion people you share your life and story with- it should be. You inspire.

[daniel1212]

"Okay, I give up. I read about 3/4 of this. It was far too long, far too wordy for me."

Indeed a plethora of almost 12,000 words posted of parroted prevaricating RC propaganda. See refutations here and (on the thread that in this prolixity is in response to, of Catholic compulsion to comfort themselves with delusion) read (if you want) - here - and - here - and more - here - here - and here - and here - and here - and here and here and here on the subject, by the grace of God

[tired&retired]

I am nothing. My strength is in my own weakness thus allowing God to work through me. It is not me.

I am merely a lowly servant.

[tired&retired]

We are all equal in our potential.

[MurphsLaw]

You need to look at the deeper meaning into the Gospels ... your just scratching the surface.
In your estimation then, anyone- (rich man) or you even- who drives by a pan handler (Lazarus) on the side of the street- and ignore him and give him nothing but a contemptible look- and pass him by daily- should be destined for the hell you focus on... Is that correct? Is that what yuou're suggesting?

The Rich Man did not have Christ- as you and I do - The Rich man lived by the failings of the Jewish Law of his day - "Condemn - or -be Condemned".
Christ CHANGED ALL THAT and is GIVING US - the Rich Man - HOPE---HOPE THAT WE CAN NOW ALL BE SAVED....(not Judas though-- Christ said he "lost one" so thats bad for him)

[daniel1212]

"Hell is the experience of those who hold onto guilt, fear, or hatred which become obstacles to Love in their soul, creating the perpetual fear that the high frequency Light of Heaven will kill them. Often, these souls remain stuck as ghosts. I’ve helped thousands of these souls cleanse to enter the Light through prayer." "Merely touching a sin stored many feet from a person’s physical body in their soul often knocks the person off their feet. When people die near me, I get freezing cold as they are draining my soul energy to expand," "The life review process is merely the soul absorbing the Light energy of Heaven causing it to expand through the stored memories in their soul in reverse sequence. This is what Paul was referring to in Hebrews 9:28"

No wonder a Catholic sees no conflict btwn what you espouse and that of their the Church or with its doctrine, for you are not simply teaching on parts unknown, but contradicting Scripture. For one, judgment after death in the Bible is that of two, one for the redeemed, and which does not begin at death, but awaits the Lord's return, (1 Corinthians 4:5; 2 Timothy. 4:1,8; Revelation 11:18; Matthew 25:31-46; 1 Peter 1:7; 5:4) after the first resurrection (John 5:29; Revelation 20:5; and which resurrection is the only transformative experience the believer looks forward to after this life (Rm. 8:23; 2Co. 5:1-4; Phil 3:20,21; 1Jn. 3:2) — not purgatory, in which suffering commences at death in order to enable souls to enter Heaven).

And which is only for the redeemed but who are judged as to obtaining or loosing rewards based upon the manner of workmanship in building "God’s building" (which every believer is doing, even if indirectly). And are saved regardless of losing rewards due to corruptible workmanship, and not saved by their burning. (Revelation 11:18; ; 1 Co. 3:8-17) The other judgment after this life is after the second resurrection (Revelation 20:5) and only for the lost, who are presently damned, (Jn. 3:36) and those who die in their sins, (cf. Jn. 6:24) are damned when they die and suffering in Hell, (Lk. 16:19-31) but like as the redeemed are saved but will be rewarded for their works of faith, the lost will be sentenced to punishment according to their degree of accountability and guilt at the final judgment, (Rv. 20:11-10) in which the wicked are shown their evil and the actual sentences meted out according to their level of sin and accountability. (Revelation 20:11-15; Mt. 11:2-20)

And since "God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil (Ecclesiastes 12:14) then seems that this would not simply be via expanding the stored memories in their soul, for we often have no memory of all the things we do wrong. However, since justification is by effectual obedient faith being counted for righteousness, versus attaining to perfection of character as in Catholicism via Purgatory (and in Scripture then it is in this life with its temptations that testings and character development takes place), then believers are justified as long as they live by/walk in faith. Glory and thanks be to God.

[MurphsLaw]

You stopped being a servant when you said .. Yes.
Although Christ speaks to all of us - not all listen.
You are set aside because you TRUST in his Word, to do his Will. He calls you friend now. Many of us are still yet asleep.

+++"I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you."+++

[MurphsLaw]

Just so you know- I originally caucused this thread to avoid any continued rancor between Catholic/Protestant. After the spirited Purgatory conversation- it was obvious a few Catholics didnt understand the Church's teaching on this Purification doctrine- or even its lack of explicitness in the Catechism of the Church.
The purpose was to share with those Catholics- who were interested enough to read it - to learn more of their faith. That it was a lengthy read- was intentional, not an accident... those not interested in spending the time- shouldn't. As your lengthy 4 page posts of decoding biblical passages and all - albeit meaningful to you - are not read by uninterested readers either.

Had I realized the word "Protestant" disqualified the ability to caucus the thread- I would have deleted it- The author - a Professor of extensive life long Biblical Scholarship- is a convert- and he used his personal witness to explain the Faith- BUT IT IN NO WAY DID HE REFER TO HIS PROTESTANT UPBRINGING TO DENIGRATE or ATTACK the many Protestant faiths out there. As a treasured CONVERT to the Church- HE DOES NOT DO THAT... now there are some Converts who tend to be more vocal toward the anti-Catholicism spirit they came from- NOT this man- NOt Scott Hahn - he is very respectful of his past faith life and is NOT antagonistic. I've never heard him say ONe negative word against his ppast. He credits his life today, from what he has learned previous.

That you disagree with him - and that he is wrong and you are right- WAS NEITHER SURPRISING OR DESIRED TO BE SOLICITED....
it wasn't meant for you to read- or to scandalize you -or for you to rebut- you have plenty of opportunity for that... and to repeat- it was originally caucused.