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Cardinal Cupich Bans Hail Mary and St Michael Prayer after Mass
Youtube ^ | 8/27/2021 | Dr Taylor Marshall

Posted on 08/27/2021 5:15:24 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...

Cardinal Cupich has commanded one of his priests in Libertyville, IL to cease praying the Hail Mary and prayer to St. Michael the Archangel publicly after Mass. The laity may pray it silently on their own, but they may not (according to Cardinal Cupich) pray it aloud as a group.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Worship
KEYWORDS: cardinalcupich; catholic; cupich; hailmary; heretic; illinois; stmichaelprayer
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So we need Pope Francis to command him to not command this, but sadly this won't occur. Too busy trying to eliminate the TLM but not hip-hop masses or scantily-clad women dancing during masses or clown masses, and on and on. Too busy being rigid against Traditionalists while being collegial with heretical German bishops who rebel against the deposit of faith. Too busy giving the Synodal Way to everyone but Traditionalists. Too busy trying his hardest to undermine the prohobition against receiving the host while still in a state of unconfessed, mortal sin. Too busy watching one priest after another like Father Altman get sacked while smiling at the LGBTQ James Martin types.
1 posted on 08/27/2021 5:15:24 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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To: Its All Over Except ...

Whiskey, Tango, Francis


2 posted on 08/27/2021 5:17:21 PM PDT by Hieronymus
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To: All

Francis is just too busy being rigid with those striving for the faith once for all delivered unto the saints while being collegial with and coddling the heretics like Pope Honorius I was.


3 posted on 08/27/2021 5:18:25 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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To: Hieronymus; Its All Over Except ...; ebb tide
If I was in town, I'd kindly attend a Mass celebrated by the good Cardinal, and at the end of Mass, start CHANTING the Hail Mary and St Michael Prayers very loudly but reverently.

That's the only thing these types understand. How does that go...resist....?

4 posted on 08/27/2021 5:24:28 PM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: Its All Over Except ...
Pope Francis is responsible for a lot of confusion and scandal in the Church, but this is not under his purview since there is currently no universal requirement to pray these prayers after Mass (although at one time there was). This is entirely under the discretion of the bishop of each diocese which in this case, unfortunately, is the notorious Cupich.

In my diocese (and many others, from what I understand) it is allowed though as far as I know it has never been formally encouraged. It starts as a grass roots movement and it is up to the laity and priests to make it happen. Not too much you can do about tyrannical bishops though except to pray for them and for your diocese.

5 posted on 08/27/2021 5:25:17 PM PDT by fidelis (Defeatism and despair are like poison to men's souls. If you can't be positive, at least be quiet.)
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To: Its All Over Except ...

I will leave this to the Catholics to resolve. Sure sounds more like a purge than ordinary pastoral guidance.


6 posted on 08/27/2021 5:25:40 PM PDT by jimfree (My 18 y/o granddaughter continues to have more quality exec experience than Joe Biden.)
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To: fidelis

Pffft. Since when have they cared about “universal requirements”?


7 posted on 08/27/2021 5:27:04 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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To: fidelis

It has been repeated for a very long time that the Latin Mass cannot be abrogated, but do you think that is going to stop Francis, et al? Riiiiight.


8 posted on 08/27/2021 5:29:00 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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To: Its All Over Except ...

Bergoglio is a Marxist- Soros puppet.


9 posted on 08/27/2021 5:40:23 PM PDT by ZULU (HOOVER, FREEH, MUELLER, COMEY, WRAY, SUCCESSION OF STATISTS)
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To: jimfree

BERGOGLIO - BOIGHT AND SOLD BY SOROS AND OBAMA.


10 posted on 08/27/2021 5:41:32 PM PDT by ZULU (HOOVER, FREEH, MUELLER, COMEY, WRAY, SUCCESSION OF STATISTS)
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To: Its All Over Except ...

Our noon weekday masses have the Angelus prayers led by the priest prior to the start of the service. They include several Hail Marys. St Michael prayer at the end of Mass is less common but some priests do lead it. That prayer habit of saying it together at the end of mass was started by a Pope who really saw a need to pray against the Devil. It’s a spiritual warfare thing done by people who are certain that evil exists and must be taken seriously. Probably that Cardinal does not like such people. Wonder why….


11 posted on 08/27/2021 5:45:12 PM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: married21
No one has answered the most obvious question ...

Why ?

12 posted on 08/27/2021 5:47:35 PM PDT by knarf (qa)
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To: Its All Over Except ...

                                                            * Click the pic to learn how to say it in Latin
Please note that this image is merely an artistic depiction of Saint Michael the Archangel
and Satan in human like form and may or may not be an accurate resemblance to their actual
forms or all accounts of forms in which they may or may not have actually appeared either
separately or together.

Hail Mary

full of Grace

the Lord is with thee

Blessed art thou among women and

Blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus

Holy Mary Mother of God

Pray for us sinners

now and at the hour of our death

Amen

13 posted on 08/27/2021 5:50:48 PM PDT by infool7 (When you have the Lord, nothing else is important and everything is fascinating! )
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To: knarf

Seems like a journalist should track down an answer and report it. Any of those around?


14 posted on 08/27/2021 5:52:35 PM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: ebb tide

ping


15 posted on 08/27/2021 5:54:08 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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To: married21
THIS is an excellent example of why America is f*****.

No one actually knows anything, but they sure know how to comment on shit that develops into a conversation resulting in a dogma and a program and . . .

Satan wins again.

16 posted on 08/27/2021 5:55:16 PM PDT by knarf (qa)
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To: Its All Over Except ...; ConservativeMind; ealgeone; Mark17; BDParrish; fishtank; boatbums; ...
Then you have the problem of over 200 prayers in the Scriptures but not one single to anyone else but the Lord, except by pagans.
17 posted on 08/27/2021 6:06:10 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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Holy Spirit, cleanse your Church.


18 posted on 08/27/2021 6:07:48 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Trump will be sworn in under a shower of confetti made from the tattered remains of the Rat Party.)
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To: daniel1212

You mean the same Scripture that says we’re “surrounded by a cloud of witnesses” to whom, apparently, we’re not allowed to speak, not even to ask them for their prayers?


19 posted on 08/27/2021 6:13:59 PM PDT by Campion (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't they understand?)
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To: daniel1212

For sound doctrine, a person needs a Douay-Rheims, Septuagint OT/Greek NT or Peshitta in English because the KJV, NASB, NIV, NAB, NABRE, RSV, RSVCE, etc, etc, are based off the Hebrew Tanakh Masoretic texts from the 6th-8th century AD, and are junk. The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls has destroyed the Masoretic texts, and thus also the KJV, NASB, NIV, etc, etc. And I have provided just a sample of all of the info below that shows the Septuagint was translated from Hebrew into Greek from the 3rd century BC with the Torah first, and then the prohets, writings, etc, finished by 100 BC, long before Christianity. Jesus quoted the Septuagint far more than he did the Hebrew and Paul quotes it almost 90% of the time, and the other New Testament writers quote it far more than they do the Hebrew.

The Masoretic texts (MT) of the Hebrew Tanakh are corrupted; even the Talmud/Mishnah (good for historical place markers but not much else) says the Masoretic texts (medieval ones used by the KJV, NIV, NASB, etc) were corrupted as the Talmud/Mishnah describes conflicting texts, contradictions, and multiple, competing rabbis intentionally altering scriptures ultimately corrupting it). Jws also used the Septuagint (translated in the mid 3rd century BC) and far older than the MT which isn’t original scripture and not a BC text.

Paleo Hebrew, used after Moses’ time from the 12th to 6th century BC (around 2,000 years older than the MT), gave way to Square Hebrew (around 1,300 years older than the MT), which eventually gave way to Greek, as evidenced by the Septuagint, around 1,000 years than the MT. The Septuagint predates Christianity, was used when Greek became the lingua franca, and its use in synagogues by Jws around the Mediterranean was substantial.

Paleo Hebrew, Square Hebrew, and the Septuagint (LXX) within the Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS) preserve the originals, and overwhelmingly disagree with the MT in numerous instances; the Septuagint predates Christianity and scrolls from it are also found within the Dead Sea Scrolls.

1.) Exodus 1:5 in the DSS Square Hebrew agrees with the Septuagint against tthe MT that all the souls from Jacob were 75, not 70, thus agreeing with St. Stephen in Acts 7:14.

2.) The older DSS, the Samaritan Pentateuch, Aramaic Targums, etc, agree with the Septuagint against the MT for Deut. 32:8-9 in using sons/angels of God and not sons of Israel.

3.) The DSS for Deuteronomy 32:43 lines up with the Septuagint against the MT saying the angels are to worship messiah.

4.) The Septuagint for 1 and 2 Samuel are backed up by 3 DSS and the MT is known among scholars as butchering 1 and 2 Samuel.

5.) The MT wrongly (some evidence for #4) laughably has Saul becoming king at age one and ruling for two years.

6.) The MT actually left out an entire line from Psalm 145 that the DSS and the Septuagint preserved, thus the so-called masters of vowel memorization not only forgot vowels but also consonants as well.

7.) Psalm 40:6(7): a messianic proof text for the Incarnation:

The MT: Thou hast dug out my ears.

The Septuagint: A body thou hast prepared me.

8.) Concerning another messianic psalm (Psalm 22:16), the DSS agrees with the Septuagint against the MT.

9.) Baruch, Sirach, Tobit, and Psalm 151 are written in Hebrew in the DSS.

10.) ▪︎The chronology of Genesis 11 and the year of the flood of the Paleo Hebrew and the Septuagint line up against the MT. Shem is not Melchizedek:

▪︎Literary sources before 100 AD that agree with the LXX: 2 Esdras, Josephus and Philo (30/70 AD) did not use the Septuagint to come to their conclusion that lines up with the Septuagint.

▪︎Eupolemus, the Jwish 2nd century BC historian’s chronology, comes close to aligning with the Paleo Hebrew/Septuagint and not the MT.

▪︎Jwish Demetrius the Chronicler’s (3rd century BC) chronology comes very close to the Paleo Hebrew and Septuagint and against the MT.

*Justin Martyr said the scriptures in his time period were being altered.* See Jer. 8:8. The pre-AD Paleo Hebrew, Eupolemos, and Demetrius had no agenda.

Since synagogues around the Mediterranean used Septuagint and Square Hebrew, even in Palestine, Greek was the lingua franca, Jesus grew up near Sepphoris where Hebrew and Greek were both spoken and where Joseph could ply his trade, Christ quoted the scriptures, spoke to the Syrophoenician woman, and Mark/Luke were written to Romans/Greeks, some will be hard-pressed to prove Jesus used only Hebrew.

Outside Judea, close to 100% of the diaspora synagogue inscriptions are in Greek. In Judea, where the default language is Aramaic, 80% of these inscriptions are Greek.

Some have said the Deuterocanon was never written in Hebrew but the DSS have proven that to be false as at least 3 so far (Baruch, Sirach, and Tobit of the Deuterocanon), have been found within the DSS written in Hebrew; using the word “recension” against them is a continual knee-jerk reaction to the Deuterocanon being written in Hebrew and a moving of the goal posts.

Concerning key messianic scriptures, Catholics, Copts, Orthodox, and Protestants see that the leaven of the rabbis - and then the Masoretes - seemed to target scriptures that point to Jesus Christ. (Matthew 16:6).

The Paleo Hebrew, Square Hebrew, and the Septuagint all agree with each other against the MT far more than they disagree, thus the starting point is to sideline the MT.

There are dozens and dozens of instances where the Paleo Hebrew, Square Hebrew, and the Septuagint agree against the MT: By the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses let every word be established. Deut. 19:15; 2 Cor. 13:1.

Given that Septuagint scrolls were found with Paleo Hebrew and Square Hebrew scrolls in the DSS, one would again be hard-pressed to prove that Christians composed the Septuagint and, as well, the Torah was translated into Greek from 283-246 BC under Ptolemy II Philadelphus and the prophets and writings within the next 100 years.

Septuagint Chronicles is quoted by Eupolemos in the middle of the 2nd century BC, and Septuagint Job by Pseudo-Aristeas in the beginning of the 1st century BC. The translation of Isaiah contains allusions to historical situations and events that point to the years 170-­150 BCE” (Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible, Emanuel Tov, p 131, 2012).* The Torah was translated into Greek from 283-246 BC under Ptolemy II Philadelphus and the prophets and writings for the Septuagint within the next 100 years. Thus the Septuagint was not created by Christianity but preceded it by centuries. So-called “Pre-Masoretic” is actually Square Hebrew and constitutes less than 5% of the full Tanakh.

Septuagint fragments found at Qumran (Lev.), the Nahal Hever (Habbakuk, near Ein Gedi), date to 50 BC; there was almost exclusive use of Greek in all synagogue inscriptions everywhere in the world showing the proverbial torch had been passed vis-a-vis the Jewish translation of the Septuagint in the 3rd and 2nd century BC.

The oldest manuscripts of the Septuagint include 2nd-century-BCE fragments of Leviticus and Deuteronomy (Rahlfs nos. 801, 819, and 957) and 1st-century-BCE fragments of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, and the Twelve Minor Prophets (Alfred Rahlfs nos. 802, 803, 805, 848, 942, and 943).

The Septuagint, or LXX, is the oldest Greek translation of the Old Testament. It was begun in the mid third century BC by scholars in Alexandria, Egypt for an expanding community of Greek speaking Jws, and was completed no later than 117 BC.

R. K. Harrison confirms its early use: “While there are certain differences in New Testament usage, there is no doubt that of all Greek versions the LXX was employed predominantly and that it enjoyed independent existence in the period just prior to the time of Christ.” 8 The Septuagint was also most likely the standard Old Testament text used by the early Christian church. Early LXX material is included in the Rylands Papyrus 458, which dates back to 150 BC.

From Haaretz: Israeli Scholars Discover Corrections, Erasures, Revisions in Oldest Biblical [Masoretic] Manuscript

“Analysis of Leningrad Codex shows that about a millennium ago, there were several different versions of the Bible that evolved over time...”

More there; the Masoretes themselves admitted they received corrupted texts.

Again, so-called pre-Masoretic scrolls constitutes less than 5% of the official Tanakh, don’t completely line up with it, and it would be conjecture and extrapolation to say the rest (the 95% that doesn’t exist) would line up and agree with the official Tanakh.

In addition, Early rabbinic sources, from around 200 CE, mention several passages of Scripture in which the conclusion is inevitable that the ancient reading must have differed from that of the present text. . . . Rabbi Simon ben Pazzi (3rd century) calls these readings “emendations of the Scribes” (tikkune Soferim; Midrash Genesis Rabbah xlix. 7), assuming that the Scribes actually made the changes. This view was adopted by the later Midrash and by the majority of Masoretes.

The Torah, *Writings, and Prophets* were translated into Greek long before the arrival of Christianity as shown above but from many other sources as well.

The Dead Sea Scrolls agree more with the Septuagint than they do with the MT so the conclusion is toss what is based off of the MT.


20 posted on 08/27/2021 6:16:13 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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