Posted on 12/09/2021 7:43:48 AM PST by Petrosius
A Catholic diocese in Michigan has instructed its pastors to deny baptism, confirmation and other sacraments to transgender and nonbinary people unless they have “repented” — possibly the first diocese in the United States to issue such a sweeping policy about those who identify with a gender other than their sex assigned at birth.
The guidance issued by the Diocese of Marquette also stipulates that transgender people may not receive Communion, in which Catholics believe the body and blood of Jesus Christ are truly present. In most circumstances, they cannot receive the anointing of the sick, which is meant to provide physical or spiritual healing to those who are seriously ill. The guidance was issued in July but only recently sparked a debate after a prominent priest and advocate for LGBTQ Catholics shared it on Twitter.
“The experience of incongruence in one’s sexual identity is not sinful if it does not arise from the person’s free will, nor would it stand in the way of Christian Initiation,” reads the document. “However, deliberate, freely chosen and manifest behaviors to redefine one’s sex do constitute such an obstacle.”
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Not only repent but put all the parts back, if possible.
They may get a call from Frank at the Vatican.
So Christians don’t believe in stuff like gay sex and genital mutilation?
Surprised to hear this.
Repenting is just the first part of atonement.
Atonement includes repairing the damage, insofar as feasible
This isn’t even a “sin” they’re rejecting whom God made them as.
(And no this isn’t the same as being born with a disability like being blind or deaf - though interestingly there’s been a movement in those communities to resist “cures” in those communities too)
I never understood this business of having a gender assigned at Birth.
They say we are assigned a gender at Birth. They make it sound as if a baby is born and an arbitrary designation of male or female is made. They seem to imply that there is no real reason to say a baby boy is a boy or a baby girl as a girl.
And we know that they’re thinking there is no way to say what sex someone is , until they grow up and decide on what their gender identity will be
> They may get a call from Frank at the Vatican. <
They will get a call from Frank at the Vatican. I’ll put the over/under for that at 14 days.
In the minds of the left biological sex does not determine a persons personal gender. This, they maintain, is purely a social and personal construct. If flows directly from the denial by feminism of any proper distinction between men and women. This is also what justifies homosexuality. We need to return to the proper understanding of the distinction between men and women, the left be damned!
“ Repenting is just the first part of atonement.
Atonement includes repairing the damage, insofar as feasible”
The subject is baptism, nothing else.
The whole basic idea of transgenderism is that the sex you were born with was a mistake. That’s a fundamental contradiction with the fact that God doesn’t make mistakes. So if you really, truly believe in transgenderism, you can’t also believe in the infallible God of the Bible.
A lot of people are born with conditions that cause suffering. That doesn’t mean that God has made a mistake, or that He does not permit the suffering to be relieved.
Correcting a split lip and palate, or wrong genitals, what’s the difference if surgery will improve someone’s life?
Not my belief, but that’s the argument for the other side.
Or what if someone says, God didn’t make a mistake, He wants me to be a chick with a dick.
“Correcting a split lip and palate, or wrong genitals, what’s the difference if surgery will improve someone’s life?”
Well, for one, there’s no such thing as “wrong genitals” unless you are born with a deformity, which isn’t the case with “transgenders”. Secondly, surgery most definitely won’t improve their lives, or ease their suffering.
understood
In general, we are not allowed to mutilate or destroy healthy organs, whether we like them or not. Diseased or deformed organs, like the cleft lip and palate that you mention, are a different matter.
If you went to a faithful Catholic doctor and asked him to amputate your little finger because you think you would look more cool with an amputation, he would refuse. Exactly the same principle is in play.
Except baptism. How does an infant reject gender? So someone says, "Oh, not infant baptism." I didn't see an exception.
You can block all the other Sacraments, fine, but baptism?
So some tranny knocks on the rectory door and says, 'I've just finishing reading Acts and I want to be baptized.' Why in God's name say no? Good God Almighty, it's like holding out on a cure! Is there any more pure way to cast out a demon than to baptize? Baptize them on the spot!
Jesus commanded the Apostles to preach the Gospel to the worst of the world, the drains on society: lepers, the insane, tax collectors. How about eunuchs!
"And there was an Ethiopian, a eunuch, a court official of Candace, queen of the Ethiopians, who was in charge of all her treasure. He had come to Jerusalem to worship and was returning, seated in his chariot, and he was reading the prophet Isaiah. And the Spirit said to Philip, “Go over and join this chariot.” So Philip ran to him and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and asked, “Do you understand what you are reading?” And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. Now the passage of the Scripture that he was reading was this:“Like a sheep he was led to the slaughter
and like a lamb before its shearer is silent,
so he opens not his mouth.In his humiliation justice was denied him.
Who can describe his generation?
For his life is taken away from the earth.”And the eunuch said to Philip, “About whom, I ask you, does the prophet say this, about himself or about someone else?” Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus. And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?” And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him. And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing." -- Acts 8: 27-39
If you had read the full article you would have seen this applies to adults seeking baptism, not infants.
I read the article. If you had read my response, the promptly discarded limitation is meant to highlight the obvious -- the Holy Spirit is in favor of ensuring baptism to all of God's wounded.
I have no idea what that ridiculous screed was about.
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