They are one in the same.
Don’t forget that Hitlery claimed that Mary and Joseph were homeless.
Traditional Catholic Theology teaches both that Mary was sinless and that Mary needs a Saviour.
Anyone who is taught only one of the two points is receiving defective instruction.
You are well named. There is plenty of body of thought on the subject that spans the recent 2,000 years. Lean not unto your own understanding (Proverbs 3:5) and learn...
This post indicates that the author may have been raised a Catholic, but he didn’t understand the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception. Mary was given the grace of being born without original sin so she could be a worthy mother to our Lord. This Grace was given in anticipation of the saving act of the Sacrifice on the Cross. Her prayer after the Annunciation, the Magnificat, specifically pronounces this in the beginning:
My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord
My spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
I respect your beliefs and understand your reasoning. However, I must respectfully disagree and witness to the fact that Mary, Christ’s mother is the ever perfect, ever virgin Mother of God. She is the Immaculate Conception. Through God’s Grace, she was conceived without sin. As the new Eve and Ark of the Covenant, she bore the perfect Christ in her perfect Womb.
She is utterly unique in history. The perfect does not come from the flawed.
You are free to disagree or malign what I believe and hold dear and true. But, I am posting this comment not to argue, but in witness.
Awhile back I was reading a commentary on the Book of Matthew. I found the commentary to be of value, but I stopped reading about halfway through. And that was because the author started taking all sorts of swipes at the Catholic Church (I am not Catholic, by the way).
I saw those swipes as more than unnecessary. They were, in my opinion, divisive. The author should have just made his point, and then let the reader decide for himself. There was no need to state, “And here’s where the Catholic Church is wrong”, over and over again.
Just my two cents.
Mary was FULL of Grace, and that enabled her to live a sinless life. If a blind man falls into a pit that he could not see, one could save him after the fact with a rope or ladder; but he could have been saved before the fact by being told of the pit in front of him. That is what the total INFUSION OF GRACE did for Mary; the Angel of the Annunciation even addressed her thus.
Might be nice to remember who Jesus is. Mary worship gets no one any closer to God. She’s not the mediator/advocate for God, Jesus is. Merely the vessel of Jesus birth.
Worship He who is, not the mother.
Thankful God had a plan at releasing us from our worldly sinfulness by once and for all ending the atoning blood sacrifices once and for all.
I’d like to think Mary knew and heeded the words of John the Baptist when he said,”He must increase, I must decrease. Mary pointed to Yshua, not herself.
Allow me to add some more fuel to the fire.
Mary was not born sinless and she did not die a virgin.
Also. Quit praying to her. What a waste of time.
The Virgin Birth was a carrying on of the Davidic line thru one of David’s other sons, Nathan. The Salomonic line was cursed by God following the reign of Jeconiah (Coniah). Joseph was of this Royal line and could therefore NOT pass on the curse. Mary was still heir to David, as was Jesus, “son of David”. The passing on of the Davidic line whilst avoiding the curse of the Royal line could only be solved one way - VIRGIN BIRTH. You’re welcome.
Mary was a woman born in sin just as every person has been since the Garden. God can elect those He chooses and grace is His to give. Scripture says God blessed Mary. Could He not bless my wife or daughter if He chose to? Worship of a human is blasphemy to God. Mary worship will be judged in the end as idol worship.
Another thing to look at is "did Peter sin?" John? Paul? Yet many people bow down and pray to these dead men every day.There is only One that is worthy of worship---Jesus. Notice in Scripture that even angels won't allow themselves to be worshiped. Scripture says we are made lower than the angels. Mary worship is a sin. That includes worshiping a statue or a painting, or jewelry.
The church has always held that Mary was sinless from conception. Show me one historian or church authority writing prior to the onslaught of protestantism that recorded that the church taught otherwise. (Even schismatic Luther held belief in the doctrine of the Immaculate conception!)
Besides, the atonement WAS applied to her prior to conception.
It is both true and a mystery for us to believe this doctrine. For example, how did her flesh escape the original sin of both her parents? And how did the flesh that became the body of her Son also escape corruption? The Church does not specify how this came about.
However, Anne Catherine Emmerich, in her description of her private revelations written down by Clemans Bretano, describes how when Adam started walk towards Eve to commit Original Sin, God took some of his flesh. This flesh was used by God to bless Abraham and his descendants. Consequently the Jews would not leave Egypt until the Pharaoh released the bones of Joseph to them, who died without passing on the blessing, even enduring 10 different horrible punishments before releasing them. And it also explains why when Jacob stole the blessing from Esau it could not be reversed.
One can be without sin and need a savior. Mary is both. sinless and savable.
what she wasn’t is Catholic.
hehehe.
but she is adored by this Catholic.
why look for fables and myths when our world needs blessings.
“For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God” does not say “all but Mary have sinned”. If it was so, it would SAY so.
She was a virtuous young woman, but not sinless.
Behold a dove, the symbol of purity, innocence, and peace.
Here's a school book. Lead, follow, or get out of the way:
God Bless America!