Posted on 03/01/2022 10:39:43 AM PST by lightman
As a kid, my best friend’s dad was a UMC minister, and he was a good man. When they moved away, the church got a new minister who immediately put up pink triangles and rainbows with an “All Are Welcome” message on the church sign. This was around 1990. So the split has been coming for a long time.
Thanks!
I pretty much stopped following what was going to happen to the UMC. I left the UMC for Anglicanism (John Wesley was Anglican :) ).
I appreciate the information!
I learned most of the liturgy I know from three years in the Anglican Episcopal Church in Caracas, Venezuela, which we attended because there wasn’t a UMC there and my folks weren’t going to go to the United Church of Christ. I learned it by rote, and only years later began to realize that much of it was straight out of the Bible.
Sodomy versus non-sodomy.
Not only between and within Christian denominations, but the various branches of Judaism as well.
Sodomy is now a religion, not just a sexual practice. Furthermore it is the official religion of the global elite, even those individuals who do not prefer the sexual practice.
Also see my tagline.
The Methodists voted and the Progressives lost. Now, the anti-Democratic crybaby Left refuses to live by the outcome.
And, since Progressives infiltrated the Church structure, they will take the money and property and leave.
Someone should lock up the name “Divided Methodist Church”.
I remember some former EUBs who never got over it.
every single General Conference vote on this issue for the last 30 years has been for traditional marriage and against LGBTQ values.
The UMC is NOTHING like the holiness movement involving the Wesley brothers. Nothing.
As long as the “traditionalists” take women ordination with them, they will end up just the same in a few short years. It is a poison pill.
Also means they'll have to jettison a lot of unbiblical policy and practice, like ordaining females for ministry. That's like 2/3rds of the denomination.
I remember some former EUBs who never got over it.
I remember some UBs and Evangelicals who never got over the EUB, much less the UMC.
For the last several GCs, you are correct. That’s why it’s so suspicious that the GC planners have done nothing to help our African and Pacific delegates secure visas, when they routinely do it for other foreign delegates and visitors. WCA has offered assistance, including money, to make it happen and has been either rebuffed or ignored.
Is the goal allowing gays to marry and preach in the church, or is the goal to destroy the church?
There are plenty of denominations that allow gays - why must the UMC go along also?
I doubt the hue and cry will cease once the split happens. The militant gays will just go after the traditionalists.
As long as the “traditionalists” take women ordination with them, they will end up just the same in a few short years. It is a poison pill.
Ping!
When I came to the painful realization 20 years ago that I must split from the church that was once a proponent of Wesleyan holiness, I thought back over my past ten UMC pastors. Nine out of the ten were either pro-gay or gay themselves (flouting the rules of the denomination), even the one who used to be a military chaplain. It's as if they couldn't read the plain meaning of words in the scriptures.
I am in a Bible-believing church now, and so much more at peace without the weekly assaults to conscience from the UMC pulpit.
My family going back generations was Methodist Episcopal. It was a beautiful liturgy and I can still recite parts of it. The UMC merger ruined a strongly conservative church.
No one ever backslides into fundamentalism.
“I am in a Bible-believing church now, and so much more at peace without the weekly assaults to conscience from the UMC pulpit.”
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I’m very happy to hear this. I left the Lutheran church after reading a few biographies of Luther and reading the Bible. It was a lot of anguish but once we found a solid Bible church there is no going back.
Even in very solid bible churches where the gospel is preached or in a seminary with a fantastic doctrinal statement, or even very famous preachers or teachers there are some who believe almost all of the words of the Bible but come up short on believing every single word. It’s not about reading or attendance or giving or service it’s all about faith in the word. And that is difficult.
Agreed. It is the poison in the church. They try to be agreeable. You can not be agreeable on doctrine. It’s either the truth or it is not. The good news is not good news with a modern twist.
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