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To: Mark17

It would take a day and a half to go through it all, but you are correct, Mark: this is wrong.

The quoted words of Isaiah are to the nation with whom God has a covenantal relationship. Jesus did nothing but that which was prophesied He would, and He made it clear for whom He came: Israel, as per prophecy. His ministry was always the Kingdom. We are the church according to the mystery revealed to Paul by our Lord Christ Jesus AFTER His death and resurrection.

Most of the time, the mistake is made innocently enough that the two are confused because the Church is called Spiritual Israel. That too, however, should make plain that we’re not physical Israel to whom the Isaiah verses were written.

Does God always heal His children? Ask our apostle, the Apostle Paul, and he will tell you no, for God said to him, “My grace is sufficient for thee.” Were God to always heal me, I would not die. I would live in this world a lot longer than I want to be here: forever. No thanks.

Having first sips of first coffee. Hope this makes sense.


4 posted on 08/04/2022 3:35:35 AM PDT by SouthernClaire (God Help America!)
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To: SouthernClaire
... to whom the Isaiah verses were written.

A BIG problem in Christianity is not realizing the AUDIENCE each book is written to.

Or to whom each blessing or curse is addressed.

5 posted on 08/04/2022 4:02:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SouthernClaire; Elsie

2 Timothy 4:20 Erastus remained at Corinth, and I left Trophimus, who was ill, at Miletus.

1 Timothy 5:23 No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments.

The Scriptural pattern for prayer for healing is given us BY GOD here in James, and it does not include name it and claim it, WoF heresy and blaming.

James 5:15-16 And the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. 1Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed.

I always have to wonder how WoF people deal with Exodus 4:10-11 “ But Moses said to the Lord, “Oh, my Lord, I am not eloquent, either in the past or since you have spoken to your servant, but I am slow of speech and of tongue.” Then the Lord said to him, “Who has made man’s mouth? Who makes him mute, or deaf, or seeing, or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?”

So I asked a name it and claim it, God owes you healing, always does it, and if you’re not healed, it’s your fault type, and all he did was get angry with me.


8 posted on 08/04/2022 4:17:46 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…)
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To: SouthernClaire
Hope this makes sense.

It does indeed. You are right. It would take all day, to go through it. WOF will tell you, if you are not healed, it’s because you don’t have enough faith. 👎 I don’t buy it. As you say, Paul was a classic example.

10 posted on 08/04/2022 4:31:39 AM PDT by Mark17 (Retired USAF air traffic controller. Father of USAF pilot. USAF aviation runs in the family )
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To: SouthernClaire; Mark17; Elsie; metmom; sauropod; Frank Broom
>> It would take a day and a half to go through it all, but you are correct, Mark: this is wrong. <<

I've been through it, SC, and calling you to take the longer view. Frank Broom's three segments to this long meditation seem to me to be quite right, as I have read them through.

God in His Son does heal in the temporal dimension just the way He desires. We all need to study the doctrine of the Ways in which it is implemented, both at Jesus' time and before; in the interim time to ratify the apostleship of the New Testament authors and church-planters; and in this current time period that the progressive revelation of Written Scriptures has been fully completed, not to be added to, that renders the Word(s) of Life to us.

For the sin-sick depraved hopeless original-sin-tainted human, The Father's Gracious Unmerited Salvation does it all, to heal the believer and reborn child for ever from death. But to continue in the Everlasting Life, on the journey of it we all must pass through physical death, no matter how few or many times we have experienced temporary restoration to healthy function, even if one is physically alive at the instantaneously moment that the Premillennial Rapture takes place.

Here are is the core Scriptures applying to Frank Broom's theme to which your comment is directed ("It is not God's will that any should perish"), under consideration also by other respondents:

Isaiah 53:3-6 (AV; bolding and underlining applied for emphasis)

3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 
4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 
5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed
6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 
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1 Peter 2:21-26 (AV; bolding and underlining for emphasis)

21For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 
22Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 
23Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to himHis Father and Judge that judgeth righteously: 
24Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed
25For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your soulsas Owner and Master
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Please take a moment and dwell on these passages. What makes you think that Isaiah was writing only to the people observing the Jewish religion under the Mosaic/Davivic Covenant? Was that Covenant not abrogated, abolished through Jesus' saving life and death as God Incarnate? Is not His Personal servant Simon bar Jonah addressing not only regenerated dispersed Jews, but also faith-reborn Gentiles adopted as wild branches into the spiritual tree of the constituents of His Church Of The First-Born that was already in existence before Hebrews 12:23 was written years after Pentecost?

Is not every regenerated child of The Heavenly Father and saved/justified/sanctified by Him already healed from the sin-sickness that would have taken us to Hades and the Lake of Fire?

In this temporal phase of the life of each of us has He not saved us from sickness and death that we may continue to be saved and to serve Him at His predetermined schedule for each? Though there me occasions through our lifetime, has He not preserved us from danger and death that Satan's will would have kept us in his company of depraved humans except for the gift of salvation? Do we not pray even now for Jesus to minister healing and health to both unsaved and saved acquaintances? Are we asking truly of His Providential works, or is it just a hypocritical request that we do not really expect God to honor? Eh?

In the end of this temporal existence, no matter how times each one of us has avoided sickness or been healed from it, are not each of us required to be separated from this physical body of one's birth DNA, to later receive--still spiritually alive--a new body for our everlasting life in Christ.

It seems to me that Frank Broom has covered these aspects, without demanding that God MUST heal us from each temporal injury or sickness that befalls us, although beyond question He does both heal or even miraculously prevent many occasions of disappointment of our earthly existence.

It does not appear to me that here Broom is teaching of the false Kathryn Kuhlman or Benny Hinn or Pat Robertson's charismatic approach, which is supposedly that one's failure to get healing is through a lack of "enough faith"; not exercising intense importinuity; or because of still habitually engaged in sinfulness, lacking repentance.

If I am wrong in this assumption, I hope that Frank will correct me, eh?

How about cutting Frank Broom some slack? (You might also look up some of his other meditations that appeared here.)

15 posted on 08/04/2022 6:37:25 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux ("Let there be Light, God's Light"))
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