Posted on 11/08/2022 2:39:17 PM PST by ebb tide
ARLINGTON, Virginia (LifeSiteNews) – Many Catholics attached to the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) “simultaneously reject many parts” of the Second Vatican Council and “you don’t have to scratch them very hard before they bleed anti-Council thoughts and sentiments,” Philadelphia archbishop emeritus Charles Chaput claimed on October 22.
Chaput made this contention while speaking at the Cathedral of St. Thomas More in the Diocese of Arlington, which until the September 8, 2022 crackdown from Bishop Michael Burbidge was arguably the world’s most TLM-friendly diocese at the parish level.
Chaput’s words can hardly be felt as anything other than salt being rubbed in the gaping and raw wounds of Arlington Catholics, who for months begged Burbidge not to ax their flourishing parish TLMs while stepping over themselves to assure him that they do, in fact, fully accept the authority of Vatican II. (That being said, the Second Vatican Council’s documents themselves indicate that only the Council’s teachings explicitly related to faith and morals are binding to Catholics, as Archbishop Guido Pozzo noted in 2016).
“I believe that Council – Second Vatican Council – like every Council of the church is a gift of the Holy Spirit uniquely preparing a particular time in the life of the Church, so I think it’s dangerous if people reject the Council and especially one of the most important parts of the Council which is this document on the sacred liturgy,” said Chaput.
Of course, what most Novus Ordo-attending Catholics do not realize is that the very Vatican II document referenced by the archbishop states that Gregorian chant ought to have “pride of place” in the liturgy. Most Novus Ordo-attending Catholics also have no clue that the rubrics of the new Mass do not mandate versus populum worship and in fact are written in a way that suggests the priest is to offer Mass ad orientem. Most Novus Ordo-attending Catholics don’t even believe what the Church teaches about the Eucharist – that it is the literal body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus Christ.
One could argue that Catholics who worship at the Old Mass are actually more accepting than their Novus Ordo counterparts of Vatican II’s liturgical directives, when one considers the average Sunday Mass at an average American parish in light of the following quotes from Sacrosanctum Concilium:
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“I think that Pope Francis decided to act as he did because he was afraid, you know, the pope is afraid like everybody else, that those anti-Council folks were… The numbers were beginning to increase, especially among young seminarians and young priests, and he wanted to make sure that the direction the Church headed at the time of the Council would be followed into the future,” Chaput continued.
“Now I also personally think that the way the Pope did that was rather harsh and imprudent, and I think it just made the people who love the Tridentine form [of the Mass] angry…At the same time [I] believe that it was an imprudent way of handling the situation, but I also understand why the Pope thought he needed to act at this time.”
During the same question-and-answer session, Chaput admitted most of the kids he confirmed over the past 10 years probably don’t go to Mass anymore – a glaring indictment of the current situation in the Church.
“Most of the kids that I confirmed in Philadelphia the last 10 years don’t go to Church on Sunday because their parents don’t go. Most of ’em!” he said. (The obvious question here: And why are their parents so poorly catechized?)
“And do they believe what they’ve learned, memorized – they might have for a moment but it fades away when they start watching those 9,000 hours of television and see…men who claim to be Catholics, like our president, or like Nancy Pelosi say one thing or do another – those things are much more convincing than what they learned in second grade catechism,” added Chaput. “So we gotta get back to authenticity in our own lives and…expectations around that for people who claim to be Catholics, or we’re not gonna pass on the faith.”
Who exactly is the bigger problem in the Church: the young families schlepping across town to attend an inconveniently-timed, banned-from-advertising-in-the-parish-bulletin diocesan Latin Mass, or the ever-aging, heresy-embracing, Real Presence-denying, abortion-supporting Novus Ordo die-hards who begin to quite practically froth at the mouth if any Church teaching or document from before Vatican II is even mentioned, let alone embraced?
And where is the concern about so many Catholics, particularly prelates, rejecting councils that, unlike Vatican II, were far clearer in actually defining Church dogma? Why is Vatican II – which did not define any new dogmas – treated as more authoritative than the Council of Trent? Why do so many Catholics act like the 1960s were Year Zero in Church history?
Furthermore, what exactly from Vatican II are trads supposedly rejecting?
During his tenure in Philadelphia, Chaput was widely viewed as a “conservative,” and Church watchers considered it a harsh snub that Pope Francis never made him a cardinal. It seems unlikely his comments about pro-abortion Democrats will do him any favors with the “Francis wing” of the Church – even when delivered alongside a dig at the ever-persecuted Catholics who are attached to the Mass of the Ages.
A full transcript of the archbishop’s answer on the Latin Mass is below:
What are your thoughts on Traditiones Custodes and the Traditional Latin Mass?
Well, I have a lot of thoughts about that I’ll try to answer it. I am a priest who was born in 1944 and grew up at the time of the Second Vatican Council. I actually was ordained prior to the craziness of the [?] company of the Council, and I had wonderful professors of Theology and liturgy and those kind of things, so I’m deeply grateful for that. But I am a man of the Council.
I believe that Council – Second Vatican Council – like every Council of the Church is a gift of the Holy Spirit uniquely preparing a particular time in the life of the Church, so I think it’s dangerous if people reject the Council and especially one of the most important parts of the Council which is this document on the sacred liturgy.
And it’s my personal experience that many people who are attached to the Tridentine form simultaneously reject many parts of the Council, and I think that’s a very bad thing. Now I also know many Catholics who love the Tridentine form and go to it faithfully who accept the Council. But for many of the people – you don’t have to scratch them very hard before they bleed anti-Council thoughts and sentiments.
And I think that Pope Francis decided to act as he did because he was afraid, you know, the pope is afraid like everybody else that those anti-Council folks were… The numbers were beginning to increase, especially among young seminarians and young priests, and he wanted to make sure that the direction the Church headed at the time of the Council would be followed into the future.
Now I also personally think that the way the Pope did that was rather harsh and imprudent, and I think it just made the people who love the Tridentine form angry and then they become harder, and they’re convinced that the Council is bad because the Pope has treated them so badly, so I can at the same time believe that it was an imprudent way of handling the situation, but I also understand why the Pope thought he needed to act at this time.
Because in my personal experience as a bishop, it is true that many of the younger seminarians and younger priests were beginning to distance themselves from the Council, not only on the teachings of liturgy, but also other things and somehow abandoning the Council to the dustbin of history rather than as the chief gift of the Holy Spirit to the Church of our time.
Now some of you might want to argue with me, and I’m happy to take any arguments, but that’s what I think, and I know that what I’m thinking historically is based on the fact that the pope saw that that this was happening among young clergy and the young people in the Church. It’s happening in Philadelphia, you know, so I imagine it’s happening even in Arlington, Virginia.
The pope, and "everybody else", should be afraid, Chaput. The TLM will outlive them all.
“Most of the kids that I confirmed in Philadelphia the last 10 years don’t go to Church on Sunday because their parents don’t go.
Chaput has no business issuing the Sacrament of Confirmation to children he knows don't go to Sunday Mass.
Ping
Article does a nice job of pointing out the quasi-idolatrous treatment of Vatican II, ironically coupled with systematic and widespread disobedience toward much of what the council taught on the liturgy.
Holy Spirit, cleanse Your Church and send us good and faithful shepherds.
It would seem that a different/new religion was created.
“It would seem that a different/new religion was created.”
Yep. We have Pope Davos.
Miss JPII.
Et tu, Cha-poo?
‘The TLM will outlive them all.’
sorry, but the Vatican will not allow that to be the case; but why you people who profess to love the TLM give one rat’s ass what the Vatican thinks I’ll never know...
I’ve told you on many occasions that it would be better to f&%k the Vatican and join the SSPX, who make no bones about rejecting the so called ‘spirit of Vat II...’
You sound like a sedevacantist. The SSPX are not sedevacantists.
A better place for you would be the SSPV.
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