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An appeal to my cessationist brothers: Are New Testament Miracles Still Operational in the Church Today?
Christian Post ^ | 01/03/2023 | Will Vining

Posted on 01/03/2023 8:58:41 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

Haven’t we just beaten this horse recently?


41 posted on 01/03/2023 5:48:54 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GingisK

The WRONG one!!!


--Catholic_Wannabe_Dude(Hail Mary! She will save us!)

42 posted on 01/03/2023 5:50:13 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: cuban leaf

amen!


43 posted on 01/03/2023 5:54:27 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SeekAndFind
...but I have yet to see a healer who heals regularly as Jesus did.

Oh?

The same Jesus who had to touch the blind man for the second time? (Mark 8:22-26)

The same Jesus that was seemingly thwarted in doing miracles at home?
And he wrought not many miracles there, because of their unbelief. (reply #9)


Maybe you're just not being in the right LOCATION to see miracles... "Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! (Matthew 11:21)


Remember HIS reply to Thomas - who doubted - "You see and believe; blessed are those who believe and don't see" <-- elsie's paraphrase)

44 posted on 01/03/2023 6:09:47 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SeekAndFind

works for me


45 posted on 01/03/2023 6:10:46 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Boogieman
None of this speaking gibberish nonsense.

But there are TWO kinds of tongues...


1 Corinthians 14:2

For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries in the Spirit.

46 posted on 01/03/2023 6:13:57 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Boogieman
I’ve yet to see any people nowadays who can just spontaneously speak a foreign language they’ve never studied because the Holy Spirit gave them that gift.

Please do not limit possibilities to only those that you have seen.

47 posted on 01/03/2023 6:15:08 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/101d9rz/500_years_of_virgin_mary_sightings_in_europe_by/


48 posted on 01/03/2023 6:40:49 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Yes among other things.


49 posted on 01/03/2023 6:42:28 PM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: SeekAndFind
Of course, God still does miracles today as many of us can attest to.

But the gift of healing as mentioned in 1 Corinthians 12 and 14, I don’t see much evidence of.

I have met plenty of people who claim to have the gift of healing, but I certainly have never seen any evidence of it in either their lives, or their ministry. They are most certainly not dealing with truly terminal patients, nor those with conditions where improvements cannot be explained either by natural means or psychosomatic reasons.

More than 90% of such “healings” I have seen have been for a painful shoulder/hip/knee/whatever, and the people get prayed for and report an improvement of the pain, a very subjective assessment, and it’s declared that they have been “healed”.

50 posted on 01/03/2023 9:18:23 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…)
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To: Elsie

“But there are TWO kinds of tongues...”

Ok, then why can’t people who claim these gifts manifest both kinds of tongues?

Is a person supposed to assume it’s just coincidental that they are only ever manifesting the kind of tongue that is completely unverifiable and easily faked?


51 posted on 01/04/2023 7:22:57 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Elsie

I didn’t say anything was impossible; I’ve just not seen it, or any reasonable kind of evidence for it happening on any widespread scale today.


52 posted on 01/04/2023 7:25:06 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: PeterPrinciple

Yes. If it violates the personality of god, then the miracle is not from him. But for one to know that they have to know god. That is, they have to have a personal relationship with him. It’s similar to the relationship you have with other human beings. When someone says someone you know did something that you know they would never do, you can know that it’s a lie. But if you don’t know the person how do you determine if it’s a lie?


53 posted on 01/04/2023 8:26:16 AM PST by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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To: Boogieman

I have no evidence upon which to base a response.


54 posted on 01/04/2023 9:43:39 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: cuban leaf

I would also propose that many miracles are meant to be private. But some are public.

The word does say speaking in tongues is a witness to unbelievers, but God also says a lot of other things that it is private.

So that leads us back to your point, a relationship.


55 posted on 01/05/2023 7:45:30 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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