Posted on 04/09/2023 9:10:17 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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The last time I checked, the royal families of Europe were blatantly disobeying God.
John McArthur sounds like a progressive fop.
“Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.”
Didn’t read that long article, but I note numerous scriptural examples of Godly rebellion against governmental and ecclesiastical authorities, including by Jesus Himself.
And the Israelites offended God when they walked out of Egypt. Oh wait....
The nuts should head back to Old Blighty then and leave America to Americans. That goes for everyone else who generally prefers foreign nations like Russia and hates the U.S.A.
You’re too late!
Do you really think it was okay for the Jews to have slaves ?
Do you think it was okay for Christians (or anyone else) to be or have slaves ?
If not (the correct answer) then why is it tacitly approved of in scripture instead of emphatically condemned as it was for the Jews in Egypt ?
Most slave ship owners in New Amsterdam were non Christians with hispano-iberian names.
RE: “Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.”
That was in the article,
“Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God” 17 – a summation of the famous 1750 sermon 18 preached by the Rev. Dr. Jonathan Mayhew (a principle figure in the Great Awakening).
RE: The Governing Authorities of the US are the the Decleration, the , Constitution and the Bill of Rights..
What was the governing authority of the Colonials (there was no US then) PRIOR to the Declaration and the Constitution?
“Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.”
Unfortunately often used out of context, and probably not well-translated.
Plus, Saul was fanatical, ruthless about his own obedience to persecuting Christians, and his past, experience, shows up in the writing as Paul - given the translation(s).
Plus, what Paul wrote (if indeed, he wrote it as translated across various Bibles), is an appeal - not a command.
Meanwhile, “the authorities” now require that the genitalia of children be cut away, and babies be butchered - in the name of such “authorities.”
Most slave ship owners in New Amsterdam were non Christians with hispano-iberian names.
Probably Parliment.
Oh, I know. It's just so nice I thought we should say it twice. ;-)
Maybe start repeating it to ourselves every day.
1 Kings 18:1-19
Elijah Confronts Ahab
18 After many days the word of the Lord came to Elijah, in the third year, saying, “Go, show yourself to Ahab, and I will send rain upon the earth.” 2 So Elijah went to show himself to Ahab. Now the famine was severe in Samaria. 3 And Ahab called Obadiah, who was over the household. (Now Obadiah feared the Lord greatly, 4 and when Jezebel cut off the prophets of the Lord, Obadiah took a hundred prophets and hid them by fifties in a cave and fed them with bread and water.) 5 And Ahab said to Obadiah, “Go through the land to all the springs of water and to all the valleys. Perhaps we may find grass and save the horses and mules alive, and not lose some of the animals.” 6 So they divided the land between them to pass through it. Ahab went in one direction by himself, and Obadiah went in another direction by himself.
7 And as Obadiah was on the way, behold, Elijah met him. And Obadiah recognized him and fell on his face and said, “Is it you, my lord Elijah?” 8 And he answered him, “It is I. Go, tell your lord, ‘Behold, Elijah is here.’” 9 And he said, “How have I sinned, that you would give your servant into the hand of Ahab, to kill me? 10 As the Lord your God lives, there is no nation or kingdom where my lord has not sent to seek you. And when they would say, ‘He is not here,’ he would take an oath of the kingdom or nation, that they had not found you. 11 And now you say, ‘Go, tell your lord, “Behold, Elijah is here.”’ 12 And as soon as I have gone from you, the Spirit of the Lord will carry you I know not where. And so, when I come and tell Ahab and he cannot find you, he will kill me, although I your servant have feared the Lord from my youth. 13 Has it not been told my lord what I did when Jezebel killed the prophets of the Lord, how I hid a hundred men of the Lord’s prophets by fifties in a cave and fed them with bread and water? 14 And now you say, ‘Go, tell your lord, “Behold, Elijah is here”’; and he will kill me.” 15 And Elijah said, “As the Lord of hosts lives, before whom I stand, I will surely show myself to him today.” 16 So Obadiah went to meet Ahab, and told him. And Ahab went to meet Elijah.
17 When Ahab saw Elijah, Ahab said to him, “Is it you, you troubler of Israel?” 18 And he answered, “I have not troubled Israel, but you have, and your father’s house, because you have abandoned the commandments of the Lord and followed the Baals. 19 Now therefore send and gather all Israel to me at Mount Carmel, and the 450 prophets of Baal and the 400 prophets of Asherah, who eat at Jezebel’s table.”
One, that is just the opinion of Paul, not the words of Jesus.
Two, the Bible did not command someone in Nazi Germany to obey Hitler, or a Cambodian to obey Pol Pot.
Three, if that is exactly what God meant, and poisoning Hitler, shooting Stalin, or giving Biden the finger is some kinda sin, then that merely proves that yes, I am indeed a sinner and needed a redeemer. So I’m covered.
This navel gazing is silly.
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