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To: SeekAndFind

One, that is just the opinion of Paul, not the words of Jesus.

Two, the Bible did not command someone in Nazi Germany to obey Hitler, or a Cambodian to obey Pol Pot.

Three, if that is exactly what God meant, and poisoning Hitler, shooting Stalin, or giving Biden the finger is some kinda sin, then that merely proves that yes, I am indeed a sinner and needed a redeemer. So I’m covered.

This navel gazing is silly.


20 posted on 04/09/2023 9:55:06 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: DesertRhino

RE: One, that is just the opinion of Paul, not the words of Jesus.

I’m trying to understand this — You believe that what St. Paul and St. Peter BOTH wrote in their epistle to the churches are NOT Inspired by the Holy Spirit, nd are mere human opinions?


24 posted on 04/09/2023 9:59:40 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: DesertRhino

“One, that is just the opinion of Paul, not the words of Jesus.”

Or more likely, Paul’s words got altered sometime around the time of the Tudor dynasty and translated in a way to suggest that any laws and authority created by the ruling monarchy are from God and not to be questioned.


36 posted on 04/09/2023 10:17:53 PM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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One, that is just the opinion of Paul, not the words of Jesus.

No, the conditional command to submit to authority is also given by the Lord Jesus, as well as Peter.

They say unto him, Cæsar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Cæsar the things which are Cæsar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s. (Matthew 22:21)
Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. (Matthew 23:1-3)
Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: (1 Peter 2:13-15)
Which flows from the OT. (Dt. 17:8-13)

Two, the Bible did not command someone in Nazi Germany to obey Hitler, or a Cambodian to obey Pol Pot.

It did just as toward Cæsar, meaning when not in conflict with what God commanded. Obey the speed limit, but do not commit abortion.

58 posted on 04/10/2023 3:39:13 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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