AA has its origins in the evangelical Christian Oxford Group. In fact, AA co-founder Bill Wilson credits the Oxford Group for the methodology of AA: “their large emphasis upon the principles of self-survey, confession, restitution, and the giving of oneself in service to others.”
Even before the Oxford Group was the Swiss psychiatrist Carl Jung. Wilson wrote to Jung in 1961 to express his “great appreciation” for his efforts. “A certain conversation you once had with one of your patients, a Mr. Rowland H. back in the early 1930’s,” Wilson wrote, “did play a critical role in the founding of our Fellowship.”
This is disturbing news...
I hope it isn’t a national concession to the devil.
Judge is breaking anonymity, which is not good for the fellowship.
A couple years ago …A couple of years ago.
But the elimination of the “Our Father” does in fact bother me. Not only because I believe Jesus is the way, the truth and the life …Oh boy.
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.Nothing wrong with a couple (of) omissions, right?
— John 14:6
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
— John 6:44
All part of the left’s plan to eradicate any mention of God from life or society.
What they don’t realize is that SOMETHING will come in to fill the vacuum and that something is NEVER good.
Each group is entitled to end in a manner acceptable to them
Plenty in America still finish with the Our Father
The international does
He should take a pound of coffee and a coffee maker and start his own meeting and finish it how he wants
How should we end our meeting?
The vote was about 26 - 2 to keep the Lord's Prayer as our meeting close.
One of our members is a corporate HR-type and fully woke, and had asked that we put it to a vote.
Whatever happened to the old AA mantra "Live and Let Live"?
Probably AA will devolve to a trashy and unsuccessful organization after kicking out God. Much like when public schools forbade prayers.
AA is supposed to be about a higher power. That is not specifically Christ. AA is practiced all over the world—and Christ wouldn’t work in many places.
This has been the case since Bill W started it.
Years ago I quit going to Al-Anon for the same reason. One of the last meetings I attended skipped it and I stepped out of the circle and did not pray the serenity prayer with them. And I told them why. The “leader” gave me the usual inclusion crap.
It's also been my experience that organized religion, (in America, almost always Christianity) has been sort of frowned upon in the meeting. Of course, the Big Book advises "be quick to see where religious people are right. Make use of what they offer". In practice, though, I think religion is relatively unpopular around the tables. This might be regional, though, as I have found meetings in the south to be comfortable with religious comments.
All in all, I think the fierce independence found in the 12 Traditions, ensures that people who practice a religion alongside their 12 Steps will always have an abundance of fellow travelers.
We don't need no stinkin' Foundation.
Jesus can stay if he turns the wine back into water.
It would also help if he could turn the loaves and fishes into coffee and donuts.