Posted on 08/16/2023 6:39:10 AM PDT by zucchini bob
(2 Peter 1:20) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. (Isaiah 28:10) For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: (Isaiah 28:13) But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
Despite its name, Calvary Chapels tend to be "megachurches." Services feature contemporary "Praise" music and are usually packed, with many younger adults and families in attendance. There are a number of Calvary Chapels in California, where the denomination started, but I'm not sure about the rest of hte country.
You mean Mary did the evil deed (sex) with her husband (after the birth of Jesus) and had other children? Oh horror of horrors, Mary and Joseph did the evil deed (sex) 😁😆😊😚😅😅😀😃😆😂 Good for them.
hmm.. thanks - what is its theology? Basically, does it hold to the beliefs outlined in the Nicene Creed?
Thanks for being respectful :)
He emphasizes it not being metaphorical by his repetition even when people leave. He doesn’t clear it up as in other cases where He highlights a metaphorical meaning
Actually, and I repeat - you are incorrectly “dividing the Word”
Next to all Christians since Apostolic times have disagreed with what you are insinuating.
That means that you are the one incorrectly making an assumption.
And, as I have repeatedly said - I have no Slavic background.
I do hold dual Polish-American citizenship since 2016 and have lived in Poland since 2010, but I have no Slavic background
What about your East Slavic background?
Yes, you did, and I have a Greek friend here (he speaks 7 languages) I bring him Bible verses in Greek, and he translates it into English for me. One in particular, when Jesus said, “it is finished.” He looked at the Greek, and looked at the English, and said, that is exactly how I would put it into English. 👍
But that isn't necessarily true because Jesus often spoke to the disciples in parables too.
Might the blood and flesh referred to also be metaphorical? As in the teachings and Words of Jesus?
Wrong Mary. Not the one from God’s Word. She said so.
https://christs-disciples.org/rccism.php
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God does not have a mother, and this is blatant blasphemy, rank heresy, as God is eternal and created all things, including Mary. Mary was the mother of Jesus Christ the man only, and the one who merely carried Him in her womb is all, as a vessel. She died like any other person. She is not even recorded at His Crucifixion, Resurrection!
(Genesis 1:1)
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
(Exodus 3:14)
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
(Psalms 41:13)
Blessed be the LORD God of Israel from everlasting, and to everlasting. Amen, and Amen.
(Psalms 93:2)
Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting.
(Micah 5:2)
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
(Habakkuk 1:12)
Art thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction.
(Luke 1:47-48)
And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
From a friend: “Mary was indeed a vessel used by the Creator. The phrase “full of grace” is used twice in the Bible. Once to describe Jesus, and the other to describe Stephen. But Mary is never described as “full of grace” in scripture, nor does it mean “sinless.”
Only sinners need a Savior. Mary needed a Savior.
All are sinners. She had a Saviour, just like us. She said so. (Luke 1:46-48) And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. (John 2:4) Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come. His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it. Her command to us then as now is, “Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.” Whatsoever Jesus my Son saith unto you, do it, Not what I say, what He says. (Romans 3:23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; (Luke 1:40)
And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.
(Luke 1:41)
And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
(Luke 1:42)
And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
(Luke 1:43-49)
And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord. And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
Mary was blessed, just like all believers are blessed, and being blessed is not “being the LORD”
She was blessed for believing in the LORD Jesus Christ, just like all believers are blessed, and being blessed is not “being the LORD”
Mary’s soul magnified THE LORD, not herself, and therefore she cannot be the LORD
God is Mary’s Saviour, therefore she cannot be the LORD
Mary was not from everlasting, eternity, she was created, born into this world, therefore she cannot be the LORD
She was in a lowly estate, therefore she cannot be the LORD
She called the LORD mighty for doing great things, therefore she cannot be the LORD
She said that the LORD was Holy, therefore she cannot be the LORD
The End of the Catholic “Mary Mother of God”
(Revelation 18:1)
And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
(Revelation 18:2)
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
(Revelation 18:3)
For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
(Revelation 18:4)
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
(Revelation 18:5)
For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
(Revelation 18:6)
Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
(Revelation 18:7)
How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
(Revelation 18:8)
Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
(Revelation 18:9)
And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
(Revelation 18:10)
Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
(Revelation 18:11)
And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
(Revelation 18:12)
The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
(Revelation 18:13)
And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.
(Revelation 18:14)
And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.
(Revelation 18:15)
The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
(Revelation 18:16)
And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!
(Revelation 18:17)
For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
(Revelation 18:18)
And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
(Revelation 18:19)
And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
(Revelation 18:20)
Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
(Revelation 18:21)
And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
(Revelation 18:22)
And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
(Revelation 18:23)
And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
(Revelation 18:24)
And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
Roman Catholic Claim
Mary was/is a perpetual virgin
(Genesis 3:1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. When you cannot substantiate your belief from God’s Word, you have your own interpretation, your own religion and, in your case, your own cult.
The serpent: “yea, hath God said that Mary was a virgin who later had other children?”
The Catholic Church “yea, God hath said that Mary had other children, but the popes and my Holy Mother Church say no, so I must believe them”
“The Bible never said Mary had other children, because God knew that one day the R.C.C. would come, and whatever we say you must live by, because we are above Scripture and will tell you what it means, and you need that”
So the whole entire R.C.C believed all that the popes said on every doctrine...
“HAIL MARY”
Hail Mary,
Full of Grace,
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary,
Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of death.
Amen.
(Matthew 6:7)
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
(Matthew 6:8)
Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
(Luke 1:28-33)
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
To “Hail” means to greet (a salutation) or to wish one good health
“Full of Grace” is anyone saved, getting grace through Jesus Christ ONLY
“The LORD is with thee”........the LORD is with me also, so? God was and is with so many in Scripture from Genesis on
Blessed art thou among women...any woman saved is blessed, she was merely more blessed because she was a vessel to give birth to a man who is the Messiah. Leah and Rachel were blessed by having the twelve tribes of Israel, on earth still today
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus......yes He is blessed and the One who blesses us!
“Holy Mary” is not in the text and we are declared holy ONLY be believing ONLY in Jesus Christ, not Mary. This is blasphemy and heresy of the worst sort.
“Mother of God”..............God is eternal and has no mother. Mary was the mother of the man Jesus, not Jesus, Creator of the universe (and the creator of Mary)
Pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of death........she cannot pray for us, as she is not our mediatrix or mediator, only Jesus Christ is
HAIL, an exclamation, or rather a verb in the imperative mode, being the adjective hail, used as a verb. Hail, be well; be in health; health to you; a term of salutation, equivalent to L. salve, salvete. Hail, hail, brave friend.
HAIL, n. A wish of health; a salutation. This word is sometimes used as a noun; as, the angel hail bestowed.
Scripture/Christianity
Mary: Virgin only until Jesus born, had other children
(Matthew 1:25)
And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
(Matthew 12:46-47)
While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
(Mark 6:3)
Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
(Mark 3:31-32)
There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him. And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.
(Luke 8:20)
And it was told him by certain which said, Thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to see thee.
(Acts 1:14)
These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.
(Galatians 1:19)
But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord’s brother.
Roman Catholic Claim
Mary is a Co-Mediatrix and has a hand in salvation
“To think Mary is the “Spouse of the Holy Spirit,” “Queen of Heaven” and “co-Redemptrix” is akin to PAGANISM.”
-John Lee
Scripture/Christianity
Mary was a sinner, earthly, and had nothing to do with salvation
(John 14:6)
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
(John 2:4-5)
Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come. His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
(Galatians 3:19)
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
(Galatians 3:20)
Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
(1 Timothy 2:5)
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
(Hebrews 8:6)
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
(Hebrews 9:15)
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
(Hebrews 12:24)
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
(Acts 4:12)
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
(Matthew 27:50)
Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
(Mark 15:38)
And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.
(Luke 23:45)
And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.
The rending of the veil of the temple in two from top to bottom means that God was now not going to need, heed, listen to any representatives as mediators between Himself and His children, like He did in the Old Testament/old Covenant. This veil being torn in two means direct access by anyone saved to the throne of the Father via Jesus Christ only.
Roman Catholic Claim
Assumption of Mary: Taken into Heaven, Holy, Perpetual Virgin
Scripture/Christianity
No evidence from Scripture
This is an empty claim from a silent Scripture
This is an empty claim from recorded history
This is an empty claim from archaeology
Roman Catholic Claim
Mary MORE important than the LORD Jesus Christ
Scripture/Christianity
Mary the Mother of Jesus is mentioned a whopping 26 times in the New Testament, whereas Peter a mere hundred sixty times, Jesus Christ Himself 946 times, 900 times more than Mary, and not all mentions of Mary refer to the same Mary.
(Matthew 1:16)
And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
(Matthew 1:18)
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
(Matthew 1:20)
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
(Matthew 2:11)
And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
(Matthew 13:55)
Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
(Matthew 27:56)
Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee’s children.
(Matthew 28:1)
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
(Mark 6:3)
Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
(Mark 15:40)
There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;
(Mark 15:47)
And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid.
(Mark 16:1)
And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
(Luke 1:27)
To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary.
(Luke 1:30)
And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
(Luke 1:34)
Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
(Luke 1:38)
And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
(Luke 1:39)
And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda;
(Luke 1:41)
And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
(Luke 1:46)
And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
(Luke 1:56)
And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.
(Luke 2:5)
To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.
(Luke 2:16)
And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger.
(Luke 2:19)
But Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.
(Luke 2:34)
And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;
(Luke 24:10)
It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles.
(John 2:1)
And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
(John 2:3)
And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
(Luke 1:43)
And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
(John 19:25)
Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.
(Acts 1:14)
These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.
(Luke 1:48)
For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
—> What about your East Slavic background?
Zero for me.
And all those consonants confuse me.
Why so many spare letters?
—> Actually, and I repeat - you are incorrectly “dividing the Word”
There you go again.
I corrected your error politely, now I must leave you to whatever you choose to believe.
True.
Mary enjoyed marital intimacy - sex - with
her lawful husband Joseph, after the birth
of Jesus, to fulfill prophecy.
Other children were produced as a result of
their continued Union.
And they liked it.
I'm betting my soul that she ain't.
If she is; I'll bet she doesn't have much time to stop and smell the roses...
Show us some evidence thereof!!
The way it's written:
Well, it sounds then that you live among many Slavs… who speak a Slavic language.
This is why I gave you most of your +44/100 grade.
Enjoy!
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“ Ethnic Poles are considered to be the descendants of the ancient West Slavic Lechites and other tribes that inhabited the Polish territories during the late antiquity period. ”
“ Polish (Polish: język polski, is a West Slavic language of the Lechitic group written in the Latin script.”
Where is that in the Bible?
All have sinned and come short of the glory of GOD.
Romans 3:23
Where's the HAHA kid when he is needed?
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