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Dr. William Lane Craig and the Conundrum of Compromise
PatriotandLiberty ^ | 2022 | Joel Tay

Posted on 10/06/2023 1:17:49 AM PDT by spirited irish

Dr William Lane Craig is a well-known and respected apologist cited by many prominent Christians. So, it is shocking, for many, to hear that he is also an avid anticreationist. Craig tries to reconcile evolution with Genesis by categorizing Genesis as mytho-history—a type of theological fable that is not meant to be understood as real history. In an online interview with Sean McDowell, Craig said:

“My greatest fear is that the young-earth creationist might be right in his hermeneutical claim that Genesis does teach those things that I described earlier. And I say that would be a nightmare because if that’s what the Bible teaches, it puts the Bible into massive, I think, irredeemable conflict with modern science, history, and linguistics, and I don’t want that to happen.”1

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KEYWORDS: anticreation; compromise; creation; evolution
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1 posted on 10/06/2023 1:17:49 AM PDT by spirited irish
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2 posted on 10/06/2023 1:20:09 AM PDT by spirited irish ( )
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We must smash our telescopes

and microscopes, too


3 posted on 10/06/2023 2:36:42 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (I owe, I owe, it's off to work I go ...)
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To: spirited irish
The author of this article says:
A ‘great’ apologist [Craig] rejects the doctrine of original sin [implying here and, in fact, stating in the article that Craig sides with the evolutionists]!

In the interview mentioned earlier, William Lane Craig admits:

“I myself don’t hold to the classical doctrine of original sin … What was that first sin? I don’t think we have any idea.

The above statement leaves the wrong impression if Craig's next statement isn't included. Craig clarifies what he means in his following statement. (from the video):
I don't hold to the classical doctrine of original sin. I think that that is neither taught in Genesis 3 or in Romans 5.

I think what Paul teaches is that Adam was the "floodgate" through which sin entered into the human race and since spread to all men...since, as Paul said, all men sin.

Adam has to be a historical person because if he were purely fictional then sin could not have entered the human race through this individual.

I have not finished watching the video yet, but the above statement is at odds with the author's conclusion that Craig sides with the evolutionists.

I will add more when I finish the video.

4 posted on 10/06/2023 3:20:18 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: spirited irish
Craig tries to reconcile evolution with Genesis by categorizing Genesis as mytho-history

I always thought there was something amyth about such thinking.

5 posted on 10/06/2023 3:25:27 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: spirited irish

Craig is a good philosopher and apologist for the reality. He is not good at theology and biblical exegesis.


6 posted on 10/06/2023 3:28:12 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: spirited irish
Here's another misstatement by the author:
By “science”, he means evolution. His quote reveals that his authority is not the Bible, but secular science! As such, Craig’s commitment to evolution forces him to undermine even basic Christian doctrines.

That is not what Craig says in the interview. Craig states unequivocally that he IS NOT an evolutionist. He states clearly that he believes Adam is a very real person.

7 posted on 10/06/2023 3:48:29 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: chajin; spirited irish
Here's what Craig says about "mytho-history" in the video:
What do we mean by mytho-history?

We're not talking about "myth" in the popular sense of the word.

We're talking about myth in the way that folklorists and classicists use that term to differentiate it from folktales and legends.

A myth in this sense [mytho-historical sense] is a traditional, sacred narrative that attempts to ground realities contemporaneous to the author's underlying societies, institutions, values, and natural phenomena IN the events of the deep primordial past.

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The genealogies [of Genesis] are like the backbone of these primordial narratives...turning these prehistorical narratives into a prehistorical chronology or a primeval history.


8 posted on 10/06/2023 4:07:32 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: spirited irish

Among mankind, time began by observation of the patterns of daily cycles thanks to the sun.

Later, the observations of seasonal cycles and moon cycles, seemed to be coordinated.

Ancient history relies upon such times, before seconds, minutes, and hours.


9 posted on 10/06/2023 4:11:45 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: spirited irish
“My greatest fear is that the young-earth creationist might be right in his hermeneutical claim that Genesis does teach those things that I described earlier. And I say that would be a nightmare because if that’s what the Bible teaches, it puts the Bible into massive, I think, irredeemable conflict with modern science, history, and linguistics, and I don’t want that to happen.”

Did it ever occur to you that "modern science, history, and linguistics" might, just possibly, be WRONG??????

Man is looking at the evidence from a very limited, in the system, perspective and then measuring Scripture against that and finding Scripture wanting as if mankind's viewpoint was objective and True.

While I am not a hard core young earth creationist, I do have problems with the methods used to determine the age of the earth allegedly based on the Bible. Too many assumptions made in the process.

I disagree strongly, however, that creating the earth with appearance of age is deception on God's part and that it had to be the old earth way. That's a pretty serious charge to lay against God.

I don't think we'll figure out the answer on this one until God reveals it to us in heaven. And I think it will be something neither side expects.

10 posted on 10/06/2023 4:38:06 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: linMcHlp
Among mankind, time began by observation of the patterns of daily cycles thanks to the sun.

And because we remember, we record such data as time of birth and time of death. Time of winter, time of spring, time of summer, time of harvest, and so on. And so in time, man invented calendars.

11 posted on 10/06/2023 4:43:34 AM PDT by spirited irish ( )
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To: metmom
Read my comments up-thread about what Craig actually said in the video. The author of this article takes MANY things out of context and even misstates some of what Craig said.

I am still working my way through the video, but nothing that Craig says (so far) is particularly outrageous or at odds with what we know of Craig's positions historically.

12 posted on 10/06/2023 4:43:56 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: RoosterRedux
A visit to BioLogos, a redoubt of evolutionary theists, demonstrates the interest and approval of Dr Craig’s positions on that site. If he hasn't actually embraced evolution, he is certainly paving the way toward embrace.

At the link below, is A Defender video featuring William Lane Craig: "Creation of Life and Biodiversity: Scientific Evidence Pertinent to Evolution"

A Biologos forum member said: This is an interesting series Craig has been doing on Creation. I respect him quite a bit for this one in particular. He got quite a bit of push back from members of his audience. Very interesting to hear that he favors a mytho-historical interpretation rather than any type of local events that are historical etc.

https://discourse.biologos.org/t/william-lane-craig-on-creation/41287.

13 posted on 10/06/2023 4:59:38 AM PDT by spirited irish ( )
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To: spirited irish
Very interesting to hear that he favors a mytho-historical interpretation rather than any type of local events that are historical etc.

Mytho-historical only means that Craig sees Genesis 1-11 as figurative/metaphorical (in parts) instead of literal. Craig stated in the video in the article above that he believes Genesis 12 and thereafter are fact.

That isn't at odds with what many Old Testament scholars believe.

14 posted on 10/06/2023 5:09:56 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: spirited irish

If Craig believed in evolution, he wouldn’t be writing a book about how he believes in a historical Adam as the progenitor of humanity.


15 posted on 10/06/2023 5:11:59 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: spirited irish

You mean he doesn’t believe the sky is a solid metal dome with water above it?


16 posted on 10/06/2023 6:29:54 AM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: spirited irish

I hope this Craig guy doesn’t believe in the “virgin birth.” Isn’t that “in conflict with science?”


17 posted on 10/06/2023 7:22:17 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (בראשית ברא אלקים את השמים ואת הארץ)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

You don’t know who William Lane Craig is?


18 posted on 10/06/2023 7:28:24 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: RoosterRedux
You don’t know who William Lane Craig is?

Never heard of him. And if he's an evolutionist, all the better for me.

19 posted on 10/06/2023 7:44:05 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (בראשית ברא אלקים את השמים ואת הארץ)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
He's not an evolutionist. He's a great Christian apologist.

This article is misleading.

Check him out. He's worth knowing.

20 posted on 10/06/2023 7:52:01 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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