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To: spirited irish

The answer is found in the athenasian creed. The Word clearly talks about there is the triune God. The Father is not the Son. The Son is not the spirit. But the father, son and spirit are God. God the Father has the work of creation. God the son does the work of salvation and God the spirit the work of sanctification. The trinity is in unity and there is unity in trinity.

It says in John, the only non-synoptical gospel that in the beginning was rhe word and the word made flesh. This notes that God is omnipresent. When viewed with Genesis it also confirms the Father is the creator but the father and son and spirit are present in the words of Genesis 1:26 “Let us create man in our own image.” Foreshadowing and linking the necessity God foresaw of a savior. The entire account of creation (days 1-5) only says God said “let there be….and God saw it was good (first person singular). Only when man is created is there first person pleural (we) confirming that God the father created but the other parts of the trinity (one God three persons) was ever present and is forever present. It must be this way for God becoming man to have been at the work of creation but not taking part in it. It provides the link of Christ’s perfection and as God the Son. The same holds for the holy spirit who proceeds from the father and son for sanctification.

There is a timeline of God revealing his fullness to us. First Creation, then Salvation, then Sanctification. But did Jesus create? No. Jesus refers to His Father on the cross when he cries out Farher forgive them. And again when he says into thy hands I commend my spirit. Distinct entities, but one God.

It is thus blasphemy to hold that Jesus was the creator. The perfect, inerrant word clearly tells us One God, three persons. All three are omnipresent and omniscient, but each has a work. It is an act of faith to believe this.


7 posted on 11/02/2023 3:35:04 AM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will)
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The Big Bang is a big bust. It is man’s feeble attempt to explain he unexplainable. The universe is steady state and has always been there. The apparent speeding away of far off objects is simply due to a defect in the speed of light. The further away from us, the faster they seem to be going.


8 posted on 11/02/2023 3:49:09 AM PDT by bennowens
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To: gas_dr
One God, three persons.

It's a mystery!

10 posted on 11/02/2023 4:00:28 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: gas_dr

Your post was good up the point of declaring a possible belief in Christ as the creator a Blasphemy.

Blasphemy, is an insult that shows contempt, disrespect or lack of reverence concerning a deity.

I would not consider the reasoned struggle to understand the nature of the individual elements of our triune God a Blasphemy. The bible clearly states all things were created through Christ.

“Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.”

Now as to whether He is was “The Creator” at creation or it was God the Father or a synergy of the triune, that is a respectful debate and I do not see how identifying Christ as the Creator in parallel is a Blasphemy.

Honestly I believe we just do not now enough about God, and may never, to fully understand His creative nature and how it actualizes. But I do not see how it is part of the salvation doctrine nor a Blasphemy to believe Christ can also be part of the process of creation, the Triune is a much greater mystery than I think we realize, so much that we likely cannot even ask the right questions.


11 posted on 11/02/2023 4:08:35 AM PDT by Skwor
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To: gas_dr

It is not blasphemy to hold that Christ was the creator as long as one knows in what manner thru which it was done. If we see Christ and dwell in him then we see and have relations with the Father. The Father’s activities in our matter universe are done through the person of the son and the Holy Spirit. The Father if he were fully expressed would cause heaven and earth to vanish before him(as Revelation states) so it is thru the Son that we have a relationship with the Father and it is thru the son that all things are created. Christ says he sees what the Father does and there-for does what the Father does. Where ever the Wheel of eyes goes so does the servant as per Ezekiel.

Colossians 1:15The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.

17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18And He is the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning and firstborn from among the dead, so that in all things He may have preeminence. 19For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him, 20and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of His cross.

The Godhead is Macro-existent and Chronologically Omnipresent as well Omniscient The Father has tied all things together thru the person of Jesus Christ as it pertains for us now in our present reality. It is His spirit that renews our inner man daily.
In short we can’t hardly run into anything the Father has done or has willed to do where we don’t find Christ himself, or thru the Holy Spirit already in action. They act in unity, three as and in one!


12 posted on 11/02/2023 4:21:28 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (A horrible historic indictment: Biden Democrats plunging the world into war to hide their crimes!)
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To: gas_dr

Since YESHUA is the word, he most certianl6 spoke creation into being.


20 posted on 11/02/2023 9:59:16 AM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! DEATH TO MARXISM AND GLOBALISM! Trump 2024, NO more Mr Nice)
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