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It’s All About Me and All About Now:” One of the Greatest Errors About Gods’ Grace
PatriotandLiberty ^ | 2020 | Mike Johnston

Posted on 12/08/2023 1:38:20 AM PST by spirited irish

Arguably one of the greatest errors we can fall into when it comes to understanding grace is that ‘It’s all about me and all about now’. This attitude has reached epidemic proportions in Western churches and may well explain our relative lack of resilience and usefulness compared to other parts of the world. Such a view of grace is, however, not only far-removed from what has been true in the church through most of its history, but from the Bible itself. In a way that may seem surprising, Scripture indicates that there is a dimension of grace that we will only discover and experience in the world to come.

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1 posted on 12/08/2023 1:38:20 AM PST by spirited irish
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2 posted on 12/08/2023 1:41:09 AM PST by spirited irish ( )
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To: spirited irish
That's one of the nice things about getting old (as a Christian). You start to think more about the future instead of the present or the past.

It seems that God's goal is to return humans to our pre-fallen state. And whatever that is (and it is hard to imagine), it's very exciting.

3 posted on 12/08/2023 2:09:40 AM PST by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: spirited irish

Well done
Beautifully, truly expressed

Our hope in Glory!


4 posted on 12/08/2023 2:27:32 AM PST by Guenevere (“If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?”)
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To: RoosterRedux
It seems that God's goal is to return humans to our pre-fallen state. And whatever that is (and it is hard to imagine), it's very exciting.

Yes, and it is exciting! One of the early Church Fathers (whose name I can't recall right now) said God will indeed restore us to our pre-fallen state, thus we will once again possess incredible powers, of mind (reasoning will be perfected) and abilities.

5 posted on 12/08/2023 3:10:52 AM PST by spirited irish ( )
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To: spirited irish

There’s nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.


6 posted on 12/08/2023 3:19:49 AM PST by equaviator (If 60 is the new 40 then 35 must be the new 15.)
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To: spirited irish
That's my understanding too. God obviously looks at our potential (which is as you describe)...certainly not our current state.;-)

Very exciting indeed.

7 posted on 12/08/2023 4:06:29 AM PST by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: spirited irish
Can you imagine how those who have turned their backs on God will feel when they see what happens to us redeemed folks.

It'll be pure hell when they realize what they missed out on by ignoring God.

8 posted on 12/08/2023 4:10:01 AM PST by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: RoosterRedux

It is my firm belief that even if God descended from Heaven in front of most of them they would still rebel and question his decisions.

You either trust in and will obey God, or you won’t. The whole debate over whether he exists is just a straw man.


9 posted on 12/08/2023 5:05:07 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009
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To: RoosterRedux
Can you imagine how those who have turned their backs on God will feel when they see what happens to us redeemed folks.

I truly pity them. They had the choice, as we all do, but said no to our Lord's offer. So what is left for them but outer darkness.

10 posted on 12/08/2023 5:08:48 AM PST by spirited irish ( )
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Agreed. But I think the "so-called non-believers" are going to be shocked by what transpires after death. Particularly as it pertains to redeemed believers being restored to a pre-fallen state of being.

I don't know if non-believers would change their decision at that point even if they could, but I think they will be surprised at what they missed out on.

BTW, I put "so-called non-believers" above in quotes because, as I think you suggested, it's not that they doubt his existence. It's that they don't want to obey.

11 posted on 12/08/2023 5:14:35 AM PST by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: spirited irish

I worry because I have family and friends who are headed there. I pray and pray and pray. But of course, God gives them free will.


12 posted on 12/08/2023 5:33:36 AM PST by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: RoosterRedux

I have heard something to the effect of *Getting old is God’s way of keeping us from wanting to live here on earth forever.*


13 posted on 12/08/2023 6:41:36 AM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: RoosterRedux

I never thought of it that way. Those they most despise being honored by GOD with what those in hell wanted and wished they had and worked for all their earthly lives.

I wonder, sometimes, if part of the torment of hell is realizing what they rejected here on earth and were given multiple opportunities to avail themselves of and that they missed out on it after all.


14 posted on 12/08/2023 6:44:26 AM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: metmom
I have heard something to the effect of *Getting old is God’s way of keeping us from wanting to live here on earth forever.*

And it works.;-)

15 posted on 12/08/2023 6:48:56 AM PST by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: RoosterRedux

It sure does.....


16 posted on 12/08/2023 6:49:22 AM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: spirited irish

To paraphrase some believer on the radio somewhere from the past:

Not about me, it’s about Him

Not about here, it’s about His Kingdom

Not about now, it’s about spending Eternity with Him in His Kingdom

No clue who it was or where they got it from,but it’s a nice way to take one’s temperature on how much our selfish human nature is ‘winning’ against the selflessness state of a Grace filled believer.


17 posted on 12/08/2023 6:58:04 AM PST by delchiante
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To: RoosterRedux
To some, it may seem strange, but God's plan has little to do with "religion," per se. It is essentially a way for him to select those humans who meet the criteria for being restored to the original state of perfection (i.e. Eden). Of course, God already knows who we are, but he requires us to choose his path, as freedom of choice is a crucial aspect of our consciousness.

Understanding why our choice is necessary may be beyond our comprehension at this point, but that is how it is.

As a side note, God, being omniscient, surely knew that man would fall. Perhaps that is part of what he is trying to tell us in Genesis 6. Our genetic code was tainted. The genetic code of some people was tainted beyond repair.

Though the Bible is a factual history, it is also a code that will be understood by the Elect and completely misunderstood by everyone else. It is a code that had to be relevant only to the Elect from Eden until the End of Days. As Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice."

It seems that real life hasn't yet begun. It won't begin until we are restored to the Kingdom.

Until then, we are in this crazy kind of boot camp. And those who love Righteousness (i.e., God) are being prepared--groomed--for graduation to the Kingdom.

As a professor of mine once said, "Though you may disagree, college isn't real life. Real life begins when you graduate. So work hard while you are here. Prepare for graduation and don't get side-tracked by silly pleasures. You won't regret it."

18 posted on 12/08/2023 11:18:34 AM PST by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: delchiante

Thank-you for sharing!


19 posted on 12/08/2023 1:46:40 PM PST by spirited irish ( )
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To: RoosterRedux
I read the account of a young atheist woman living somewhere in the Soviet Union. She had never read the bible and knew nothing about Jesus Christ. One day, while visiting her grandmother she discovered a bible which she proceeded to read. Lo and Behold! She was converted and consequently converted many others, there in the heart of the very godless Soviet Union.

The moral of this story is: Trust in the Lord.

20 posted on 12/08/2023 1:52:00 PM PST by spirited irish ( )
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