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To: GrumpyOldGuy
Nope....he was duly elected by the College of Cardinals.

Roman Catholics really have no choice but to follow him per Unam Sanctam.

15 posted on 12/18/2023 3:58:39 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

The Pope has no power over me. He may be able to issue edicts to Catholic priests, but ordinary Catholics have no obligation to follow his commands.


24 posted on 12/18/2023 5:07:30 PM PST by Prince of Space (Trump 2024!)
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To: ealgeone

Francis has persecuted members of the clergy, including cardinals, who disagree with him, but he is careful not to directly contradict Catholic dogma, as heresy is grounds for deposing a pope. He hopes to degrade the census fidelium through gradual erosion and miseducation.


30 posted on 12/18/2023 5:40:09 PM PST by I-ambush (From the brightest star comes the blackest hole. You had so much to offer, why didya offer your sou?)
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To: ealgeone
I’m a cradle Catholic and have never been told I must follow a declaration made by Pope Boniface VIII in the 14th century or risk ex-communication.

Unam Sanctum is one of thousands of papal bulls issued by Rome over 1000 yrs. It was put forth in November 1302 in response to King Philip IV of France levying a tax on half the income of the French clergy. In fact, even at the time, Pope Boniface’s bull was widely ridiculed and disregarded.

Per Wikipedia, “Boniface's reputation for overweening papal claims made it difficult to accept such an extreme declaration. His assertion over the temporal was seen as hollow and misguided, and it is said that the document was not seen as authoritative because the body of the faithful did not accept it.”

You obviously need some new material. 🤣

33 posted on 12/18/2023 5:54:55 PM PST by Prince of Space (Trump 2024!)
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To: ealgeone

First of all, there were many irregularities in his election. Maybe this will get some of the cardinals to stand up and demand another look.

But even so, the Pope is only to be followed when his “teachings” are in line with the traditional and perpetual magisterium of the Church..that is the accumulated orthodox teachings of 2000 years.

His are not, but the way he’s always gotten around it has been to set things up so that somebody else actually issues the letter or makes the statement…which he has all along been encouraging. He’s an evil man who has made his career by manipulating and using others to achieve his evil goals.

Maybe this will finally make the bishops do something other than grumble quietly. This is going to put them in a terrible position, and if they’re not orthodox and don’t care themselves, it’s going to out their priests in a terrible position.

Weirdly enough I think this has been Francis’ goal all along. I suspect he thinks he’s getting near the end and he wants to burn it all down before he goes.


53 posted on 12/18/2023 7:19:26 PM PST by livius
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