[american colleen]

I did a search and didn't find this article, hope it wasn't posted. I thought it was interesting that the article is written by a Catholic homosexual male.

On the whole, I liked the article, but it does not address the question of why almost all of the victims of the non-celibate priests are young teenaged boys.

[american colleen]

*ping*

[ThomasMore]

Many church officers, here and in the Vatican, want to keep the larger questions out of the discussion, in particular the volatile question of priestly homosexuality.

This is the darkest cloud in our horizon. For the life of me, I can't understand why they are not addressing the homosexual issue.

[SMEDLEYBUTLER]

It would be a good thing for the bishops to agree on a strict and enforceable national policy.

It would be a good thing for the bishops to follow the policy that is already in place as written in the 1961 Vatican document "Sacred Congregation for Religious and Secular Institutes".

It would be interesting to know if the author is a celibate homosexual.

[sinkspur]

On the whole, I liked the article, but it does not address the question of why almost all of the victims of the non-celibate priests are young teenaged boys.

The teenaged boys are victims because they are minors. These non-celibate priests probably had an order of magnitude more adult male sexual partners, many of them fellow priests.

It will be interesting to see if Shanley blows the lid off of the can of worms in an effort to make a deal with the DA.

[kezekiel]

However puritanical it can sometimes seem, Roman Catholicism is Christianity not ashamed that God took flesh in a body with genitals. For official theology and ancient liturgy, it matters that the body was a male. I emphasize the gender because male and female sexuality are assigned very different values within Catholicism. Women are still sufficiently disenfranchised within the official church to make lesbianism a separate issue when thinking through Catholic homoeroticism.

This is what happens when an intelligent human being is informed more by academic influences and doctrines than by the clear teachings of Scripture. When sin penetrates the intellect, we get essays about "Catholic homoeroticism," as if somehow there is legitimacy to be discovered, if one looks deeply enough. When Truth is discarded, you can find (little "t") "truths" just about wherever your sinful eyes want to take you.

[vmatt]

What finer a place to be for a homosexual than an organization that demands celibacy? One may continue in private without the questioning of their unnatural lifestyle. My feeling is that many enter the priesthood with a compromised concience, hoping that they can eventually come to understand their predicament and come to terms with it. Some may and good for them but most IMO do not and sooner or later prey upon their victims, themselves ready and willing to subject themselves to the priesthood for help in time of need. Imagine an individual like the fellow on Bill O'reily last night having problems with their own unnatural sexuality coming to a priest who has the same problem for help. This guy became a sex slave for a long time by the priest who he sought help from. Catholics should not be surprised at the publicity of these actions by a world in sin looking to the representatives of God in this age for moral leadership. Religious hypocrisy always makes the crime much worse. This is the fruit of disobedience to the word of God.

1 Timothy 4 1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Matthew 7 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

[Catholicguy]

Male-male desire in Catholicism isn't confined to the priesthood or religious life, though it is certainly most intense there. The desire suffuses Catholic imagination. The sacramental theater of the Mass culminates when God becomes flesh again as the priest consecrates bread and wine. We believe it is the actual body of Jesus, back among us, invoked and guarded by an all-male priesthood.

This paragraph is illustrative how of Lust leads to disordered thinking and a darkened intellect. This is blasphemous; asserting the Mass has ANYTHING to do with male-male desire is beyong repulsive - it is SATANIC.

The Globe did not intend it this way but this is further proof that the poofters MUST be suspended a divinis and sent packing....Good Lord

[ppaul]

[history_matters]

Mark Jordan is a well known homosexual activitist. As a scholar I believe his words need to be taken with a grain of salt or perhaps held away at arm's length.