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Announcing the Catholic Freeper Locator List
June 14, 2002 | Romulus

Posted on 06/14/2002 8:24:23 AM PDT by Romulus

Yesterday's thread on the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops Summer Plenary Session. turned up a lot of Catholic FReepers suggesting that it's time for the faithful laity to get more visible and active in pressing for a restoration of right order in the Church. To that end, I've decided to develop and maintain a list of Catholic FReepers, sorted by state, as a resource for future activism. Some of us will wish to collaborate on future projects; others may simply find the list handy for purposes of fellowship. If you want to be on this list, please post your state (or overseas country) on this thread. I'll collate whatever comes in, and Askel5 will post the results on the ConSpiratio web site.

In posting your FR handle and location, you're not volunteering for anything except the chance of being contacted in the future. Whatever activism you then undertake is entirely up to you. For the record, I have no specific plan for this list, nor am I aware of anyone else's. It seems like something that needs to be done, however, and I'll wager the very existence of a good list will generate fruitful ideas.

If you prefer not to post your location, please bump the thread anyway. Thanks!


TOPICS: Catholic; General Discusssion
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1 posted on 06/14/2002 8:24:23 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Askel5
Incoming -- I hope.
2 posted on 06/14/2002 8:24:58 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus
Maryland.

sitetest

3 posted on 06/14/2002 8:26:19 AM PDT by sitetest
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To: Diago
Would you please send this to your bump list?
4 posted on 06/14/2002 8:26:21 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Siobhan
Would you please send this to your bump list?
5 posted on 06/14/2002 8:26:41 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: patent
Would you please send this to your bump list?
6 posted on 06/14/2002 8:27:05 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Polycarp
Would you please send this to your bump list?
7 posted on 06/14/2002 8:27:26 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus
Massachusetts (yes, I know -- God help me) -- and not only Massachusetts, but Boston.
8 posted on 06/14/2002 8:27:31 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Salvation
Would you please send this to your bump list?
9 posted on 06/14/2002 8:27:46 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Soothing_Dave; ELS; HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; eastsider
Pass it on. Thanks.
10 posted on 06/14/2002 8:29:16 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus
Mike's out but we'll have lunch next week to discuss the point you mentioned as well as a personal item on which I should probably get his advice. Good idea to nail everything down in advance.

With any luck, we should have forum capabilities at the site ... at which time I can start chucking in the links, individual chapter pages and library. I'm not interested in reinventing the wheel and don't want folks sitting around ConSpiratio when they should be out and about at sites like FR. Just a nexus, that's all, with the ability to archive our best stuff and keep folks on top of the latest.

Also a good way to insert a layer of political protection for St. Patrick's ... =)

11 posted on 06/14/2002 8:32:18 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: conservonator, Trebics, Unam Sanctam; Orual; Lil'freeper; big'ol_freeper; Cap'n Crunch
FYI
12 posted on 06/14/2002 8:32:23 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Askel5
With any luck, we should have forum capabilities at the site

Within the week or so.

13 posted on 06/14/2002 8:33:12 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: Goetz_von_Berlichingen; neocon; Renatus; LadyDoc, Thomas More; Dumb_Ox
FYI
14 posted on 06/14/2002 8:34:51 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: victim soul; Cicero; campion; Aquinasfan; betty boop; Arthur McGowan; father elijah
FYI
15 posted on 06/14/2002 8:35:21 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus
I'm happy to monitor a listserve of sorts out of ConSpiratio once it comes to that. Folks will have the option of giving me -- Askel5 -- their email at that time if they wish to be on the mailing list.

As luck would have it, I'm not the most disciplined person in the world so chances I'm going to inundate folks are very slim ...=)

16 posted on 06/14/2002 8:35:32 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: Romulus
Texas-Archdiocese of San Antonio
17 posted on 06/14/2002 8:36:58 AM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: Antoninus; sandyeggo; frogandtoad; saradippity; maryz; Jeff Chandler; ken5050; Slyfox; rose...
bump for Romulus

;^ )

18 posted on 06/14/2002 8:38:25 AM PDT by Siobhan
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To: Romulus
Columbia River Gorge, Oregon (east of Portland)
19 posted on 06/14/2002 8:42:55 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Romulus
New York
20 posted on 06/14/2002 8:44:54 AM PDT by Orual
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To: Romulus; patent; Notwithstanding; JMJ333; Aunt Polgara; AgThorn; IM2Phat4U; toenail; MHGinTN...
Pennsylvania, Diocese of Altoona-Johnstown.

bumping!!!

21 posted on 06/14/2002 8:45:45 AM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Romulus
Dear Romulus,

I notice some folks indicating their diocese. Would it be beneficial to ask people to generally provide that information?

I live in the Archdiocese of Baltimore, but am registered across the county line in a parish in the Archdiocese of Washington.

sitetest

22 posted on 06/14/2002 8:50:36 AM PDT by sitetest
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To: Romulus
Diocese of Arlington, Virginia.
23 posted on 06/14/2002 8:51:17 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: Romulus
Diocese of Arlington, VA. Also my husband steve0113.
24 posted on 06/14/2002 8:54:08 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: sitetest
I notice some folks indicating their diocese. Would it be beneficial to ask people to generally provide that information?

Couldn't hurt. I'll find a way to incorporate as much information as people choose to provide.

25 posted on 06/14/2002 8:54:56 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus
Massachusetts - Archdiocese of Boston

Colleen

26 posted on 06/14/2002 8:55:29 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: Romulus
Diocese of Sacramento (California)
27 posted on 06/14/2002 8:58:07 AM PDT by Gophack
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Diocese of Providence, Rhode Island.
28 posted on 06/14/2002 9:05:43 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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The great state of Florida, the flower state and home of just about every tourist attraction worth visiting.

Diocese of St. Petersburg, located on the magnificent Suncoast.

29 posted on 06/14/2002 9:07:04 AM PDT by Rum Tum Tugger
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To: Romulus;Siobhan;Polycarp
Disgusted member of the Diocese of Rockville Centre, NY
30 posted on 06/14/2002 9:07:54 AM PDT by katnip
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To: Romulus
B-chan -- member from the Catholic Parish of St. Mary the Virgin, Arlington, Texas.

Anglican Use bump.

Yours in Christian Fraternity,

B-chan

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31 posted on 06/14/2002 9:10:10 AM PDT by B-Chan
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To: Romulus
New York, New York
32 posted on 06/14/2002 9:14:48 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: Romulus; Askel5; polycarp; siobhan;
Excellent idea!! Thank you for developing this on our behalf.

Albany, NY - ultra liberal diocese, home of the "wreckovator" Fr. Dr. Richard Vosko.

As a point of future discussion, I realized last night that much of what we are witnessing in the catholic church today, results from changes made post Vatican II. To cite some examples:

before Vatican II, a catholic could attend & participate at mass anywhere in the world. Catholic churches were fairly consistent in their design and easily recognizable by the crucifix over the altar and tabernacle on the altar.

Today, even within the same diocese, there are radical changes.

Some churches retain pews and kneelers while others have reordered the worship space with kneelerless (sp?)chairs.
Many churches have replaced the crucifix with a simple wooden cross.
The tabernacle which holds the living Presence of Christ, has been relocated (abandoned) to side chapels and even out of the church entirely.
Eucharistic ministers dispensing communion don't bother me per se, but some of them are so heavily perfumed that it permeates the host they are dispensing. (Have they even washed their hands prior to mass?)
Girls now serve at the altar.

Having recently attended a tridentine mass, it reminded me of what I did not like in pre Vatican II. The new mass enjoins the congregation in the celebration but, for the life of me, I CANNOT abide the concept of people standing or is it sitting, during the consecration. Fortunately, my church is still equipped with kneelers.

Perhaps what is truly missing is a sense of continuity from parish to parish. The bishops, it would seem, have far too much say in how their diocese will "look". Just tossing this out for reflection and thought.

33 posted on 06/14/2002 9:17:45 AM PDT by NYer
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Have you considered celebrating the Mass in an Anglican Use parish? You'd find much to like in our parish: pews and kneelers, a real crucifix, the tabernacle in its proper place, and no Eucharistic ministers, altar girls, or drive-thru service -- we receive Holy Communion on the tongue while kneeling at an altar rail. Add to that our traditional liturgy (a real Kyrie and frequent use of Latin), vestments, liturgical colors, and our utter lack of banjos, electric guitars, and liturgical dance, and you get a satisfying and orthodox Catholic worship service.

If there's an Anglican Use Catholic parish in your area, please pay them a visit. I'm sure you'll like what you see.

Yours in Christian Fraternity,

B-chan

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34 posted on 06/14/2002 9:29:43 AM PDT by B-Chan
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To: Romulus
The Archdiocese of Boston, Romulus. Thanks for contacting me about this.
35 posted on 06/14/2002 9:35:39 AM PDT by betty boop
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To: B-Chan
Is an "Anglican Use" parish fully Roman Catholic and one with the Pope? Just curious, I really don't know. There is one in Boston, St. Andrew's I believe, but I have not attended.
36 posted on 06/14/2002 9:39:17 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: Romulus
If one hasn't figured it out from my relevant postings, the Archdiocese of Newark (NJ).
37 posted on 06/14/2002 9:47:21 AM PDT by ELS
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To: NYer
Many churches have replaced the crucifix with a simple wooden cross

Fortunately, I have never been to a Catholic Church that did not have a crucifix.

At my parish, the younger priest (we have two) is responsible for the Catechism, and he brought the 3rd and 4th graders into the church and asked how one knows if it is a Catholic Church. When one kid said, "There's a cross", Father corrected him and said, yes, but it's a special cross. All Catholic Churches everywhere in the world have a crucifix. He went through everything ... the tabernacle, the Stations of the Cross, the relics under the altar, etc.

I would hope that the laity would complain if a cross replaced the crucifix. In my view, the church would no longer be Catholic.

38 posted on 06/14/2002 9:53:32 AM PDT by Gophack
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To: Gophack
All Catholic Churches everywhere in the world have a crucifix.

Not quite all - St. Luke's in McLean, VA has what our priest called a 'resurrectifix' - the cross is on one side, then a fully-clothed risen Christ, holding out His arms in blessing, is about 15 feet away on the wall. I was in a wedding there a couple of years ago. The holy water font is a mulit-level fountain in the vestibule, that looks like it should have goldfish and pennies. The tabernacle is in a side chapel somewhere (I asked).

I realize the substance of the Church is not the forms, but it was so irreverent.

39 posted on 06/14/2002 10:01:47 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: Romulus
Arizona,diocese of Phoenix,bishop Tom O'Brien.
40 posted on 06/14/2002 10:03:06 AM PDT by saradippity
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To: B Knotts
Incidentally, I live in the Archdiocese of Portland, but attend Mass across the river in the Archdiocese of Seattle, as we have no other Churches in the western Gorge.
41 posted on 06/14/2002 10:06:15 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Gophack; NYer
I used to live in a small town and belong to the parish there. It is a beautiful, small white church that just warmed your heart when you entered. There was a beautiful, large crucifix hanging over the altar and the pews all had kneelers, it was a traditional lovely small church.

A few years ago, I went back in for a visit and found the crucifix placed in the back of the church over to the side (barely visible unless you looked for it) and it had been replaced by a plain cross over the altar (which doesn't house the Tabernacle anymore) - the front pews - about the first 10 rows - had been ripped out and replaced with chairs that have no kneelers. My heart was broken.

42 posted on 06/14/2002 10:07:43 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: Gophack
All Catholic Churches everywhere in the world have a crucifix.

The formerly beautiful little Church I grew up at in Queens NY replaced the Crucifix with a bizarre Risen Christ thing along with a real totem-pole tabernacle .

No Crucifixes there anymore.

43 posted on 06/14/2002 10:09:21 AM PDT by katnip
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To: nina0113
That's really sad. The crucifix is one thing, but the tabernacle ... I have heard of the tabernacle being moved out of the church proper, but I always felt that was just wrong. Jesus Christ is the focus of our worship, and He should have a prominent place in the church. If my church moved the tabernacle ... which is on the altar, to the right of center ... I would complain and change parishes if they didn't move it back.

Fortunately, I think that my priests are OK and would never do such a thing.

44 posted on 06/14/2002 10:09:50 AM PDT by Gophack
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To: nina0113; all
From EWTN:

Crucifix at Mass
Question from Anita Pollock on 05-28-2002:
Does a pastor have the authority to eliminate the crucifix in worship space substituting a stylized cross (without corpus) during Mass?

Answer by Colin B. Donovan, STL on 06-07-2002:
No, because during Mass, at least, the General Instruction calls for a cross with a corpus on it. 117 ... There is also to be a cross on or near the altar, with a figure of Christ crucified.


45 posted on 06/14/2002 10:11:27 AM PDT by Gophack
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To: Romulus
Portland Archdiocese -- Oregon

Archbishop Vlazny

46 posted on 06/14/2002 10:13:34 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: Catholic_list; father elijah; nickcarraway; SMEDLEYBUTLER; Siobhan; Lady in Blue...
Some duplicates of those you already have pinged.
47 posted on 06/14/2002 10:14:59 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: Romulus
It seems like something that needs to be done

Pray for the Bishops

48 posted on 06/14/2002 10:17:27 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: Romulus
Minnesota.
49 posted on 06/14/2002 10:19:14 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: johniegrad
OOOOPS. Diocese of Duluth.
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