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To: Revelation 911
The Arminian doctrine originated with the Jesuits to kill the reformation...Wesley was part of that

Did he hate the pope...sure chis KING was kicked out of the Roman church..

His Chrurch of England was the RC in drag

"It is amazing that any true evangelical Calvinist would ever quote John Wesley with approval, either in speech or in writing," wrote the late Rev.  J. P. MacQueen, London.  "He bitterly hated and rejected Calvinism, while he taught a theory of justification practically identical with sanctification.  His apologists have tried to persuade their readers that Wesley's Sacramentalism was 'merely an Oxford phase, and that it disappeared when he entered upon active evangelistic effort.'  His treatise on Baptism, which he published in 1756, proves the contrary: ' By water, then, as a means—the water of baptism—we are regenerated or born again, whence it is also called by the Apostle the washing of regeneration.  Herein a principle of grace is infused which will not be wholly taken away unless we quench the Holy Spirit of God by long-continued wickedness.'  If the foregoing quotation does not embody the false doctrine of baptismal regeneration, one does not know what does.  Wesley commended the same so-called 'devotional literature' as the Oxford Tractarians, such as the works of Romanists like Thomas a Kempis, Francois de Sales, and Cardinal Bona.  He even published the 'Introduction to a Devout Life' by Francois de Sales, the sworn foe of Calvinism, in 1750.  He advocated prayers for the dead, justifying himself thus: 'Prayer for the dead, the faithful de, parted, in the advocacy of which I conceive myself clearly justified.  (Works, ed.  1872, IX.  55).  The blessed departed are beyond the need of the poor sin-stained prayers of the Church militant, for they are perfect in holiness.

I will post this as a thread so you may read it all

60 posted on 07/23/2002 12:57:31 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
If anything, we sure do cover alot of ground ma - hopefully we both pickup something along the way
61 posted on 07/23/2002 1:03:32 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: RnMomof7
St. Francis de Sales ... one of my favorites. He is the patron saint of writers.

I've been mostly lurking on this thread, but I (of course) want to put in my two-cents worth. It's just going to have to wait until my lunch break. I need to get my kids ready for school.

:-)

100 posted on 07/24/2002 6:46:57 AM PDT by Gophack
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