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To: cebadams; patent; Polycarp; narses
Do you really think today pales in comparison to the time of Pope Gregory VII? I don't. Read it again -- we have all the same problems mentioned in the Catholic Encyclopedia article you posted, and then some. (Would that our bishops and priests were only given to luxury and fornication! At least they seemed to be mainly fornicating with women -- ours have chosen to rape children -- and usually male children.)

Do you think they had plenty of monks and nuns in the tenth century? We don't. Our women religious have either disappeared or they've joined forces with radical anti-Catholic organizations like CFFC and the We Are Church movement.

And how many of the wicked religious of the 10th century (by the way -- the dates they post here are from the 11th, not the 10th) went around promoting contraception and abortion? Probably not many. How many privately denied the existence of mortal sin, or even Hell? How many denied the Real Presence and the very divinity of Christ Himself?

Seems to me that the 10th and 11th centuries pale in comparison to the vice of the 21st century, and not vice-versa.

Just my two cents....

42 posted on 07/30/2002 7:52:02 PM PDT by Aristophanes
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To: Aristophanes
Every generation, every Catholic, in fact every human being faces Calvary. The choice we have is to accept God's grace or reject it. The assaults of Satan on the Church of Christ are relentless, but I read the Book, I know the outcome for our Holy Mother the Church, for my soul though, I fear.
43 posted on 07/30/2002 8:00:23 PM PDT by narses
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