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Sorry if I missed anyone.

"It is interesting how this site has made me think more and pray more and study more about our faith."

I've been watching this thread off and on all day. As someone born just after Vatican II into the mess known as the late 60's and one who wanted to be educated in the historical faith, which I was taught was no longer relevant, I learn a lot here. Like the use of the word "prudential." I never really thought about it. I also have now reverted to my original thinking on the church. Somewhere along the line, with reservations, I ended up spouting the new wave stuff, which I never really believed. Now I'm confident enough to reject the new wave arguments. Thank you all very much for your help in this.

IMHO, the vitriol does get out of hand from time to time. There's not a person anywhere who doesn't from time to time put a foot in it, so, I'm not complaining, but personal attacks are part of what I consider bad practice of faith. It should be okay to disagree and do it with some semblance of manners and class.