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US Catholics Barred from Kneeling for Communion?
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Posted on 08/23/2002 7:05:24 PM PDT by narses

WASHINGTON, Aug 23, 02 (CWNews.com) -- The US bishops' committee on the liturgy has said that Catholics should not ordinarily receive Communion while kneeling.

Committee on Liturgy: "The bishops of the United States have decided that the normative posture for receiving Holy Communion should be standing. Kneeling is not a licit posture for receiving Holy Communion in the dioceses of the United States of America unless the bishop of a particular diocese has derogated from this norm in an individual and extraordinary circumstance."


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1 posted on 08/23/2002 7:05:24 PM PDT by narses
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Amazed ping.
2 posted on 08/23/2002 7:06:00 PM PDT by narses
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To: allend
Bingo.
4 posted on 08/23/2002 7:13:34 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: narses
If there's no communion rail, then kneeling when everyone else stands is an attention-getting mechanism. We have the occasional kneeler in our parish and nobody seems to mind, but, having been behind one of these "fall on their knees" communicants, it was all I could do to keep from getting tripped up as they thrust their feet behind them.

Standing is also a sign of respect, and uniformity is important. However, if kneeling is a make-or-break thing for you, then, by all means, kneel.

5 posted on 08/23/2002 7:14:05 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: narses
I was going to ask what in God's name is going on but then I remembered the subject was the USCCB.

Never mind.

6 posted on 08/23/2002 7:14:15 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: sinkspur
uniformity is important

As long as it incorporates the changes the diabolical revolution desires.

7 posted on 08/23/2002 7:15:15 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: allend
Translation: "We have lost our faith in the Real Presence, and it bugs us to see someone who hasn't. Therefore, we will ban any expression of that faith."

That's total nonsense. After kneeling throughout the Eucharistic Prayer, and after the sign of Peace, you can hardly argue that standing for reception of the Eucharist is a "loss of faith" in the Real Presence.

Ever been to Mass at St. Peter's? Everyone receives the Eucharist standing.

8 posted on 08/23/2002 7:17:19 PM PDT by sinkspur
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Next it will be the only way to receive Our Lord is IN YOUR HANDS ONLY! The good Polish people of my parish won't accept not kneeling - NEVER!
9 posted on 08/23/2002 7:18:05 PM PDT by Gerish
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As long as it incorporates the changes the diabolical revolution desires.

Don't you attend a Tridentine Indult Mass?

This directive, obviously, doesn't apply to you.

For heaven's sake, reception of the Eucharist standing has been the norm for the last twenty years in the Western world. Standardizing a common practice with a directive is hardly revolutionary, much less "diabolical."

10 posted on 08/23/2002 7:24:21 PM PDT by sinkspur
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It is amazing. But it started with the destruction of the communion rails, and recently there are more changes, such as moving the tabernacle to the side of the Church. I suppose that soon they will leave the hosts by the door, so you can collect it when you are leaving. Much more convenient.
11 posted on 08/23/2002 7:28:39 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil
Take out Hosts?
12 posted on 08/23/2002 7:30:49 PM PDT by narses
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To: sinkspur
But it means I can no longer kneel at the communion rail from which communion is dispensed to a line of standing communicants at my sister's "Mass in the round" parish in KC.

This is a bad precedent to put in writing. Priests who have a problem with "holier than thou" Catholics who refuse to CHANGE per the Revolution which tore the communion rails from churches by force should just make the rule for their own church and leave Catholics the option of kneeling at whatever Novus Ordo parish in their diocese allows them to show the Real Presence the traditional measure of respect by kneeling and refusing to handle the host themselves.

I will be interested to see what effect this has next time I'm at my grandparents' church in Florida where a good number of the communicants always kneel ... and, to my knowledge, no one's ever tripped.

13 posted on 08/23/2002 7:41:45 PM PDT by Askel5
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Kneeling is not a licit posture for receiving Holy Communion in the dioceses of the United States of America unless the bishop of a particular diocese has derogated from this norm in an individual and extraordinary circumstance.".

Unbelievable!

To heck with the "dioceses of the United States of America" what happened to the one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. Amchurch and their evil bishops are the ones in schism with Rome.

14 posted on 08/23/2002 7:48:48 PM PDT by Land of the Irish
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To: Land of the Irish
I wonder why now?
15 posted on 08/23/2002 7:52:36 PM PDT by narses
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To: sinkspur
If there's no communion rail, then kneeling when everyone else stands is an attention-getting mechanism. We have the occasional kneeler in our parish and nobody seems to mind, but, having been behind one of these "fall on their knees" communicants, it was all I could do to keep from getting tripped up as they thrust their feet behind them.

I myself genuflect before receiving while standing, but I would never attribute to reverent kneeling while receiving the judgmental description " an attention-getting device". This unfair characterization is beneath you, Sinkspur.

Standing is also a sign of respect,

That's what the liturgists who forbid kneeling during the consecration say, too, but is standing at attention as respectful as kneeling in adoration? Standing is indeed a sign of respect, but obviously not as much so as kneeling.

and uniformity is important.

Again, this is what the folks who forbid kneeling during consecration say. I know we are talking about during communion, but you are parroting their language. It reminds me of the folks, who, when the subject of homeschooling comes up, immediately launch into the mantra "homeschooled children have socialization problems". In this case, whenever the subject of kneeling during consecration or communion comes up, or when someone objects to the elimination of kneelers, the mantra launched is "Standing is also a sign of respect, and uniformity is important." Do the seminaries have you memorize that like the Preamble? You know as well as I do that standing as opposed to kneeling is a part of the effort to change the vertical nature of the Mass to the horizontal. Why not just be honest about it instead of hiding behind liberal talking points?

However, if kneeling is a make-or-break thing for you, then, by all means, kneel.

I know you mean well, Sinkspur, but statements like these make you sound quite condescending. Not a very Christian attitude at all. Did you have a bad day, or what?

16 posted on 08/23/2002 7:54:44 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: sinkspur
After kneeling throughout the Eucharistic Prayer, and after the sign of Peace, you can hardly argue that standing for reception of the Eucharist is a "loss of faith" in the Real Presence.

The bishop in my diocese has outlawed kneeling completely. One must stand during the Eucharistic prayer.

I think kneeling is a good thing. Standing in line for the Eucharist can diminish the significance of what is actually taking place. One stands in line to receive a Big Mac as well. Kneeling is something that could be reserved for the Lord to signify fealty and adoration. I can't think of anything else I regularly kneel for, so that one gesture would be nice to have. I can't imagine why that practice would change. Got any insight as to why ?

17 posted on 08/23/2002 7:57:17 PM PDT by St.Chuck
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To: St.Chuck
And why now?
19 posted on 08/23/2002 8:01:33 PM PDT by narses
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To: Jeff Chandler
Again, this is what the folks who forbid kneeling during consecration say.

Who are these "folks"? The same bishops who are asking communicants to stand for reception of the Eucharist mandate kneeling during the Eucharistic Prayer, and I'm not aware of any parish in our diocese that doesn't follow this directive.

You know as well as I do that standing as opposed to kneeling is a part of the effort to change the vertical nature of the Mass to the horizontal.

Is sitting during the Liturgy of the Word part of this, too? Why don't we just kneel during the entire Mass?

As to "vertical" versus "horizontal," I don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.

20 posted on 08/23/2002 8:01:54 PM PDT by sinkspur
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