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To: BlackVeil
The Christian nations of Europe were definitely not the aggressors. Moslems have been the aggressors since the seventh century until present day with their attack on Sept 11. In 1071 the Turks attacked and virtually annihilated the Byzantine army at Manzikert. It was that defeat that led the Byzantine emperor to appeal to the Pope for aid against the Moslems.

Second, it certainly was and is appropriate for Christians to defend themselves and the innocent and helpless against attacks, which is exactly what the crusaders were doing. There were certainly abuses during the crusades, but an immoral action during a war does not detract from the justice of the cause of war. The immoral action should be condemned, but the war itself remains just

As for the Sack of Jerusalem, here is a summery taken from Henri Daniel-Ropps:

In the summer of 1096, various contingents of Crusaders began making their way to the Holy Land. There was no overall leader, so knights from different areas followed their own overlords. As the crusade progressed, the dominant figures were Bohemond, leader of the Normans of Italy; Godfrey de Boullion, leading the contingent from Lorraine and the Low Countries; and Raymond of Toulouse, with knights from southern France. The contingent under Raymond was the largest.

The main crusader contingents arrived in Constantinople by April 1097, and in June took nearby Nicea from the Moslems. A week later they began marching east, through arid wastelands and a blistering sun. The local Moslem commander thought the knights could be easily conquered, the more so as they had divided their forces into two columns. On July 1 he attacked at Dorylaeum.

Bohemond and his men bore the first onslaught. He exhorted his men to stand firm and sent messengers for help. The Normans held until Raymond’s men arrived and then a contingent led by Bishop Adhemar. The Turks fled, having suffered five times as many casualties as the Christians.

The crusaders reached Antioch in October. The siege of the city was long and difficult. Some of the less dedicated leaders weakened and returned home. But Raymond, Godfrey, and Bohemond held firm leading charges and resisting enemy attacks. Finally Bohemond, with the help of a traitor inside Antioch, broke into the city and opened the gates to the rest of the crusading army. Antioch fell to the Christians, but they soon found themselves besieged by a Moslem relief army. Conditions looked grim, but on June 28, Bohemond called forth the entire Christian army. After a final hand-to-hand struggle, the Moslem army was routed, and Antioch was secure.

Finally on January 13, 1099 Raymond led the Crusaders on the final march to Jerusalem. They won a series of fairly easy victories and on June 7 arrived within sight of Jerusalem for the first time, viewing it from a mountain, which pilgrims had long before named Mountjoy.

But the siege of Jerusalem was even more difficult than the siege of Antioch. The sun shone pitilessly and the wind from the desert drained the moisture from the flesh. The Moslems has poisoned the wells near the city, and men would lick dew from the grass or dig into the ground to find moist earth. But then one of the priests with the crusaders saw a vision of Bishop Adhemer [who had died the previous November] who asked the army to fast and then walk barefoot around the walls of Jerusalem begging God’s help. If they would do so, the victory would be theirs.

The men had loved the Bishop and responded to his request. The Crusaders had renewed confidence and courage, and on July 15 the final assault was launched. Godfrey led it, from a wooden siege tower, at one point even holding up a cracked beam with his own back. His men flung open the Gate of St. Stephen. Through it came the Normans and then the main force under Raymond. Jerusalem was taken.

As the men entered the city, all their pent-up frustration erupted and they went wild, looting the city and killing many innocent people. This behavior was totally against the promises they made at knighthood, and marred what would otherwise have been a splendid victory. Neither Godfrey nor Raymond, however, participated in or approved of the sack. Most of those who participated in the sack were excommunicated.

49 posted on 09/07/2002 8:51:03 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
"all their pent-up frustration erupted and they went wild, looting the city and killing many innocent people. This behavior was totally against the promises they made at knighthood, and marred what would otherwise have been a splendid victory... Most of those who participated in the sack were excommunicated." (They were given a days penance, rather.) I am away from my desk, so cannot give a detailed reply which your points deserve. I shall write more in two weeks when I am back home. My take on the Crusades is that they were not specifically antiIslamic, but were about purging Jews, schismatics and heretics.

They did not kill many innocent people, they butchered the entire Jewish community of Jerusalem, which took quite a effort. Of course, innumerable Moslems were killed, but there was no effort to single them out. All members of the Eastern Orthodox clergy were killed in the sack of Jerusalem, because they wore beards. The Crusaders started killing Jews even before they reached the Holy Land. They laid into them in Europe, and violent antiSemitism hugely increased after that time. Many preachers urging the Crusades were dismayed, and recorded their dismay, that their congregations were willing to just kill the local Jews instead of going all the way to Jerusalem to do it. They could not imagine Muslims, the focus of their hatred was that the people who killed Christ were still in Jerusalem.

Throughout the whole period of the Latin Kingdom, no Jews were allowed to live in Jerusalem. Muslims yes, but no Jews, (see historical works by Prof J. Prawer.) They did not recover the right to live there until Saladin retook the city. You dont need me to remind you of the sack of Constantinople in 1204, and the final crusade, who was that against? The Albigensians in the south of France. They got entirely wiped out, but the Norman barons keep slowing down to kill ... the Jews, in cities like Toulouse and Albi.

When Joinville wrote his chronicle of St Louis, he described how the French king recommended, when setting out on Crusade, that they never get involved in religious discussions with Jews. As he pointed out, the only talk you should have with him, is with your sword in his belly. And be sure to twist the blade.
50 posted on 09/09/2002 4:15:26 AM PDT by BlackVeil
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