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Pollster says he can't find Christianity transforming lives
Los Angeles Times | Published Sep 28, 2002 | William Lobdell

Posted on 09/30/2002 9:19:01 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

VENTURA, Calif. -- Pollster George Barna, known these days as the bearer of bad tidings about the state of Christianity in America, arrived in his office a few minutes late for a 10 a.m. appointment.

His hair was ruffled; his eyes puffy. Shoulders slouched. Being the George Gallup of the conservative evangelical world is a heavy burden for Barna, who often works into the early morning, deciphering numbers generated by his surveys to find church trends.

The 48-year-old author of 30 books, who describes himself as a raging introvert, is a popular national speaker. And he produces enough in-your-face statistics and blunt talk to irritate pastors, cost him business and earn a reputation for having, as one magazine put it, "the gift of discouragement."

His data undercut some of the core beliefs that should, by definition, set evangelicals apart from their more liberal brethren. Findings of his polls show, for example, that:

• The divorce rate is no different for born-again Christians than for those who do not consider themselves religious.

• Only a minority of born-again adults (44 percent) and a tiny proportion of born-again teenagers (9 percent) are certain that absolute moral truth exists.

• Most Christians' votes are influenced more by economic self-interest than by spiritual and moral values.

• Desiring to have a close, personal relationship with God ranks sixth among the 21 life goals tested among born-agains, trailing such desires as "living a comfortable lifestyle."

'Are people's lives being transformed" by Christianity? Barna has asked. "We can't find evidence of a transformation."

Even Barna's toughest critics concede that Barna Research Group's polls carry considerable weight because of his first-rate surveying techniques and his 17-year-long record of tracking church and cultural trends.

His work has been used by major companies (Ford Motor Co. and Walt Disney, for example) and religious organizations such as the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association and World Vision.

"He is the accepted authority on church trends," said Bob Cavin, director of the Texas Baptist Leadership Center. "He gives pastors insight, not only into the effectiveness of the church, but with trends in society that help the pastors with their strategic planning."

Because of his influence, many are watching with interest as Barna branches out from his usual business. He has been preoccupied with quantifying contemporary Christian beliefs, attitudes and practices; comparing them with biblical truths; and delivering the results to pastors, Christian leaders and laity. He said that he once hoped his analyses would be used as building blocks for more relevant churches.

But he decided this year to take a more active role by helping to identify and develop new and better church leaders who will boldly go where their predecessors haven't gone before: to radically revamp the church. He said he believes the process will take decades -- generations -- to complete.

"One of our challenges is to revisit the structures and means through which people experience Christ," Barna said. "People have been talking about developing the 'new church' for the past several decades, but nothing new has been forthcoming."

According to Barna, pastors are great teachers, but not necessarily adept at leadership. To back up his claim, he cited one of his own polls: It showed that only 12 percent of senior pastors say they have the spiritual gift of leadership and 8 percent say they have the gift of evangelism. In contrast, two-thirds say they have the gift of teaching or preaching.

"We, not God, have created a system that doesn't work and that we're reluctant to change."

Barna also is in the early stages of establishing a genuine and appealing Christian presence in secular entities: film, music, media and politics. He has identified these as the institutions that hold the most influence over Americans.

What's needed are "skilled professionals who love Christ and model his ways through their thoughts, words and behavior in enviable and biblically consistent ways," he said.

For Barna, the need for better leadership and better Christian role models in the secular world was underscored by a poll he released this month.

9/11 opportunity lost

The survey showed that the Sept. 11 attacks had virtually no lasting effects on America's faith, despite a 20 percent rise in church attendance during the first few weeks afterward.

"We missed a huge opportunity," he said, adding that, because of their own shallow faith, church regulars needed so much reassurance themselves that they couldn't minister to newcomers.

This kind of comment bothers evangelical Christians.

Mike Regele, author of "The Death of the Church," is one of many who believe the Barna Research Group's statistical work is excellent, but the conclusions drawn by the company's founder are too harsh.

The hypocrisy of Christians, Regele said, "has been a part of the church, probably since the day of Pentecost" and doesn't indicate its collapse.

"It sounds like he's very, very angry at the church," said Regele, a church critic himself who is ultimately an optimist. "There are reasons to be disappointed, but scripture never said we'd be perfect. We shouldn't view the whole institution as a failure."

With each new Barna poll or book, the attacks begin again: He's too negative; he has it in for pastors; he's arrogant.

The criticism "would affect any human being," said Barna, a husband and father of two. "We all want to be loved and accepted by others, but we also have a higher calling to which we each must be true."

Barna said he has learned painfully that giving advice on how to revitalize churches in America is a hugely complex proposition that doesn't fit well into sound bites. He has learned to be more guarded.

Although his statistics often show self-described Christians living lives no different from those of atheists, Barna's faith never has wavered.

"The issue isn't whether Jesus or Christianity is real," he said. "The issue is, are Americans willing to put Christ first in their lives?


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Ok boys and girls how come after all of our explaning and teaching the the gospel to others this is the out come?

Is it just what God said it would be, the narrow way?

Do you walk the walk (with the power of God thru you) or are you just giving lip service on here, (going to Church on Sunday and then going to hell on Monday?)

How much time do you spend in the Word and prayer?

Are you and I one of these folks, and are just kidding ourselfs?

Do you have a man REALLY called of God as your pastor, that is a strong leader, and has not watered down the gospel?

Is your Church a purpose driven Church, all entertainment, 2 floor shows a day, and then the gospel lite?

BigMack

1 posted on 09/30/2002 9:19:01 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: RnMomof7
Hey Mom, woop out your ping list. :)

BigMack

2 posted on 09/30/2002 9:20:58 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: angelo; SoothingDave; ksen; JHavard; RobbyS; Havoc; al_c; OLD REGGIE; nate4one
Ping.

BigMack

3 posted on 09/30/2002 9:22:48 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; JMJ333; american colleen; Claud; dadwags; SoothingDave; al_c; ...
A Big Mack Ping:>)
4 posted on 09/30/2002 9:28:32 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
He's saying that most pastors are wimps. It is certainly true of our bishops.
5 posted on 09/30/2002 9:28:41 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
This is discouraging, although not unexpected, news.
6 posted on 09/30/2002 9:31:45 AM PDT by ksen
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To: RobbyS
He's saying that most pastors are wimps. It is certainly true of our bishops.

Seems to be true across the board today, we are getting close to total apostasy in the Church.

BigMack

7 posted on 09/30/2002 9:33:16 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: ksen
This is discouraging, although not unexpected, news.

Got a date set yet? Have you been practicing rapture jumping? :)

BigMack

8 posted on 09/30/2002 9:35:38 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: RnMomof7
Thanks Mom.

BigMack

9 posted on 09/30/2002 9:36:18 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; RnMomof7; Matchett-PI; Jerry_M; the_doc
Ok boys and girls how come after all of our explaning and teaching the the gospel to others this is the out come?

Because just like the other day when I quoted to you basic gospel stuff word for word and you called it "spin" and "circular" I don't expect very many professing born-again believers have a clue what the gospel is. A large number of them aren't even saved anyway. They just like the the way it makes them feel.

But, hey, most of what you said makes sense.
10 posted on 09/30/2002 9:36:19 AM PDT by CCWoody
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
No date setting for me thanks. It gives me gas. ;^)
11 posted on 09/30/2002 9:38:02 AM PDT by ksen
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To: CCWoody; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
If it ain't changin' your life, you probably don't got it.
12 posted on 09/30/2002 9:39:41 AM PDT by ksen
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To: CCWoody
Ok Woody, I said your (spin) or take on what the meaning of the gospel was the problem, not the word for word verses.

Peace.

BigMack

13 posted on 09/30/2002 9:41:02 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: ksen
It gives me gas.

In polite circles, it's called "the vapors." ;-)

14 posted on 09/30/2002 9:41:42 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: CCWoody
BUMP!!! LOL!!!
15 posted on 09/30/2002 9:42:36 AM PDT by Matchett-PI
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Christians sin and repent until the day they die.
This is news?
Please.

The whole point of being a Chrisitian is that you TRY earnestly to amend your life to be in accord with the ways of God. When you thereafter do not achieve perfection (you fall into sin) you understand that God's mercy is available and is the answer.

There is no hypocricy in sinning. It is the lie the left and the atheists use all the time - that a Christian who sins is a hypocrite.

A Christian is a hypocrite when he refuses to cease from his sin, when he fails to acknowledge his sin, or when he loses hope in his Savior and God's mercy. But sinning is no act of hypcricy on its own.
16 posted on 09/30/2002 9:43:41 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Corin Stormhands
Is it against the "rules" to make cryptic references to some current conversation on an ongoing thread?

BTW, what are you doing over here? Don't let Hair find out.

17 posted on 09/30/2002 9:45:21 AM PDT by ksen
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Here's one Barna research piece that I (unfortunately) agree with. Our country's churches/parishes/synagogues were packed to the gills for the first 3 or so weeks after 9/11. What a thrill it was to see all of those people there! Then what a let down it was to see it slip back to normal or below so quickly. We put so many things before God, even though He told us not to do that.

Yeah, the road is narrow, Mack. And "many are called, but few are chosen." God's mercy knows no bounds, but it's not looking good for mankind in general if we keep up this pace.

18 posted on 09/30/2002 9:45:29 AM PDT by al_c
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To: Notwithstanding
This isn't talking about Christians sinning. It is talking about there being NO difference between professing believers and the world.

You are correct that Christians do sin and will sin until they die. But that is no excuse to live like the unsaved around us. If our lives are no different than our unsaved neighbors than what possible reason would they have to investigate Christianity?
19 posted on 09/30/2002 9:48:40 AM PDT by ksen
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To: Notwithstanding
Well then according to what your saying, there are alot of back slidden Christians or baby Christians out there, that have not grown up in the Lord, I don't mean even grown up Christians will never sin, we all sin and will till the day we die, but if we grow up in the Lord, it will be less and less, not more and more, but as the article states, the blame could be because of weak leaderless preachers in the pulpits.

BigMack

20 posted on 09/30/2002 9:52:22 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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