[xzins]

It is a VERY Arminian position. He nowhere says that loss of salvation is possible, but he everywhere leads to believe that we shouldn't be smug about being any "guaranteed perseverence" ticket that someone slipped in our pocket when we accepted Christ.

I'm in wholehearted agreement with Arminius and Dolphin. "Let he who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall."

There's plenty of reason to be wary of the doctrine of "eternal security."

[drstevej]

***There's plenty of reason to be wary of the doctrine of "eternal security."***

"and whom He justified, them He just might glorify if they hang in until the end!"

[Woodkirk]

Is there any way to clarify the meaning of this phrase: "the
foundation of the world". Does it mean "the creation of the earth"?
Or does it refer to a time later when civilization began to put
its marks on the face of the earth?

[BibChr]

We clearly agree about a lot when it comes to prophecy; but on this I couldn't agree less.

Your version of John 10:28 must read, "I give to them eternal life, and they shall never perish... unless, of course, they perish!"

My understanding of the Biblical teaching is not that Christ guarantees that we shall go to Heaven, no matter what we do. It is that Christ guarantees that He shall keep us so that we shall do nothing (and nothing will be done to us) to lose the life He gives us. The warnings in Hebrews and elsewhere are part of how He keeps us. We hold on, but by His power alone.

Were it left to us, not a one would reach Heaven. Thank God, it is not left to us.

Dan
Biblical Christianity web site

[fortheDeclaration]

There's plenty of reason to be wary of the doctrine of "eternal security."

There is nothing to be 'wary' about the doctrine of eternal security.

Any doctrine can be twisted, as is Justification by faith without works!

Do we say, 'we should be wary of Justification by faith', no, we explain it!

What eternal security does is remove the fear from ones life regarding their salvation.

We are to fear however, discipline from God when we do not produce fruit (Heb.12:6)

As for it leading people to believe they are saved when they aren't, the Bible tells us that a believer will be assured of his salvation and can know if he is saved (1Jn.5:13).

However, if he becomes a reprobate he will begin to doubt his salvation as will others (James.2:17-24, and will suffer loss of many things in this life and the next (Gal.6:7, 1Cor.3:13-15)

[RnMomof7]

This will surprise you but I heard a Calvinist give a sermon on the need for Holiness..that one is not savecd unless he is living a holy life

Now of course he was not saying that the failure to live a holy life cost you your salvation..only that holiness is not an option it is a biblical command..and a mark of our conversion...

[RnMomof7]

I thought you believed in eternal security..is this a doctrinal shift?