[RobbyS]

"Criticism" is not what you are doing; you are in effect accusing the pope of heresy; There are substantial difference between the new mass and a Lutheran service, even though a particular priest might enter into it in the same spirit as a Lutheran minister. But Luther himself presented himself to the world for many years as a "critic."and defender of tradition. Unlike later Protestants he really thought he was returning the Church to its Patristic roots.

[drstevej]

***Unlike later Protestants he really thought he was returning the Church to its Patristic roots.***

Luther vs. Eck at Leipzig... Luther insists that he be corrected by Scripture not Patristics.

[ultima ratio]

You know I've gone over this ground a million times. There is such a thing as material, rather than formal, heresy. I don't presume to judge this Pope's motives or interior state. I'm sure he means well. This much I am certain of: he is no friend of Tradition. My heavens, look at the record.

[ultima ratio]

What Luther was doing was attacking Tradition. He had much in common with today's modernists. He wanted revolution and he got it.