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To: Desdemona
You ask what bothers me about this break with tradition. I will tell you. Modernism rejects the Church's own past from the time of Constantine. It seeks to "update" the faith by doing so, and introduces innovations which undermine traditional beliefs. For instance they suppress the doctrine of the Real Presence by never mentioning it or fostering an agenda to correct widespread disbelief among Catholics regarding this doctrine.

What's wrong with this? Plenty. If the past 1500years was mistaken, if the Church took a wrong turn in the fifth century, despite all the evidence of subsequent councils and popes, then nothing was true. It was all just a lie or a self-deception. And if this was the case then--how can it not also be the case now? Catholicism itself collapses.

This is because Modernists can't have it both ways. They can't say, oops! we got it wrong for 1500 years but now we've turned the corner and finally have got the hang of it--which is what they are trying to say. They make high-sounding claims to having now been inspired by the Holy Spirit--but nothing they have done has born any fruit and, in fact, the opposite has happened, whatever they have touched has turned to corruption. So why should we believe such false prophets when they tell us the past was wrong but now we are right?

82 posted on 11/26/2002 8:09:35 AM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
They make high-sounding claims to having now been inspired by the Holy Spirit--but nothing they have done has born any fruit and, in fact, the opposite has happened, whatever they have touched has turned to corruption. So why should we believe such false prophets when they tell us the past was wrong but now we are right?

I do have some sympathy with the sentiment. Oddly enough, my mother was extolling the simplicity of the new configuration in her parish and she said, "Oh, Desdemona, you'll love it. It's so simple." And I came back with, when is it going to sink in that I LIKE ornate churches and statues and votive candles. Although, the only thing they really took out was the Communion Rail (it DID look like rink dasher boards).

I have wondered why tradition was so blythely tossed aside and when I've asked, I usually do get a non-answer. But these are people who pitch "junk" as a sport. Overall, history itself isn't really valued, nor is tradition. ultima, it's not just the church. Everything is based around convenience and ease. Well, God and His church aren't convenient and living the faith certainly isn't easy. And by throwing away the old ways, some very short sighted people did some major long term damage. I'll definitely go along with that.

Frankly, when people with great gifts who offer them freely are refused merely because of a whim you do have to wonder at motive. There's far more focus on self and individual sprituality than being one part of the whole. And that's the larger culture interfering.
84 posted on 11/26/2002 8:24:37 AM PST by Desdemona
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