[ultima ratio]

Aha! The other shoe drops. Now the rationale is made plain: the Rosary, that most Marian of prayers, is to be made more Protestant-friendly by the addition of "Christological Prayers". In other words, that most CATHOLIC of all devotions is to be adjusted to suit those who find prayer to Mary herself distasteful.

This is more or less how we got into the Novus Ordo mess. Now the Rosary will go the same route for the same reason and will most likely have the same result: very few converts and more and more alienated Catholics seething with anger.

Nice going, Holy Father. Maybe next you'll declare Martin Luther's birthday a Holy Day of Obligation.

[Salvation]

**a contemplation of the mystery,"**

No one can take this personal contemplation away from me.

[sspxsteph]

All they are doing is trying to make it look like the Protestants have just as good of a chance to get into heaven as Catholics. There is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church. You can do all you want t try to act like the new Novas Order; which is not hard, but you are still Protestant.

[LiteKeeper]

Evangelical, Protestant NOT!

[Joshua]

"Protestant-friendly by the addition of "Christological Prayers". "

How do you make repetitive prayers to the dead more "Protestant-friendly"? Where do you dig up these people?

Is Vatican radio Romes answer to NPR? Give me a break...

[drstevej]

I am not familiar with this theologian but the University of Tübingen is a bastion of liberalism of all varieties. Is this guy an Evanglical (capital "E" as in Lutheran)? He certainly is not evangelical in any other sense.

In May of 1988 I visited the University of Tübingen with a friend who was a missionary with the Navigators who ministered to evangelicals ("e" as opposed to "E") on the campus. The theology department is one of the largest in Germany but at the time there were less than two dozen evangelicals and they were bombarded by liberals including Hans Kung.

The only evangelical on faculty then was Dr. Peter Beyerhaus a professor of world missions. Beyond that it was a wasteland theologically, IMO and the opinion of my friend.

It may have changed since then, but I would be shocked. Anyone who thinks the rosary will draw evangelicals to Rome doesn't understand evangelicals.

[Gamecock]

Ping......


***When the document alludes to "the grace Mary gives us when we pray to her," it speaks of the grace that God gives us almost from Mary's hand, "but with an 'almost' as if to say she 'is and is not,'" the theologian said. (Stephan Tobler of the University of Tübingen, in Germany, a Reformed evangelical theologian)***

Reformed? I think not!

[Romulus]

Now the rationale is made plain: the Rosary, that most Marian of prayers, is to be made more Protestant-friendly by the addition of "Christological Prayers".

Christology is Mary's whole point, her only reason for existence. The Logos who alone gives meaning to the entire cosmos makes Mary uniquely relevant to all of us. If Mary were for an instant to start pointing to herself instead of to Christ -- if she were for an instant to suppose that the title "Mother of God" is about her -- she would immediately cease to be of any interest or use to the Church, and we'd be well rid of her.

In other words, that most CATHOLIC of all devotions is to be adjusted to suit those who find prayer to Mary herself distasteful.

It takes some doing to re-image Catholicism as something exclusive rather than universal, but you seem to be attempting just that.

"Hodigitria" means "She who shows the way"

[narses]

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