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Let me re-focus my response. It's not that here and there a few bad apples does something which is scandalous. That's not what we're talking about with the Novus Ordo crowd. We're talking about an active agenda to nurture a gay subculture.

In the nineties--a few years before everything hit the fan in Boston--a gay symposium was held--where else?--in Chicago. Bishops attended. More than 90 dioceses across America sponsored the event which was convened to urge clergy and seminarians to live out their sexuality. That's the sort of thing we're talking about. Big time organization to change the Catholic ethos on sexuality.

We're also talking about countless gay Masses, gay dances on church property, porn websites catering to gay priests. We're talking about bishops pushing a sex education designed to prevent "homophobia" by introducing values-neutral discussions about homosexuality in Catholic schools, complete with disgustingly detailed information about anal and oral sex and sado-masochism--all for the assimilation of parochial and diocesan schoolchildren, some of them at the elementary level, despite the widespread objections of parents. We're talking about a priest like Shanley of Boston remaining in good standing in his diocese, even though it was known he was a public activist for man-boy sexual "love". We're talking about making sure that straight and orthodox candidates to the priesthood--some of whom were punished for saying the rosary or visiting the Blessed Sacrament--never got past the keepers of the gates, those who had the final say as to who was or was not acceptable for the priesthood--mostly feminists and gays. We're talking the widespread rejection of straight and orthodox young men as candidates while their gay counterparts were knowingly allowed to cruise the leather bars to their hearts content--and still won approval.

So don't post these innocuous stories about traditionalists and their bad apples. We're talking about a culture of corruption when we talk about the Novus Ordo--not merely a few isolated incidents of bad behavior.