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Jael, in these discussions you are about to have, it is best to focus on OP. The others are not as clear or as direct. OP will tell you honestly that God has predetermined every choice you ever have made and ever will make and every event that will ever befall you...not just you, but all of humanity of all of time. You cannot scratch your head without it having been preplanned by God.

Start there. It's a very honest statement on his part.

I will tell you that God is love and that nothing he has ever done has been less than pure love. Everything that has ever happened to anyone has been premised in that love.

God knows everything to include those things which have yet to happen. Before He created, your choice to believe in him was one of the events that creation set in motion. There was no chance that you would not believe in Him since he knew that you would believe in him. There is no chance that anything you have ever done was not foreseen and, therefore, no chance that any of it would not have happened once time was set in motion.

All of the above is true and is too wonderful to figure out with creeds and finite human reasoning. God's foolishness is far wiser than the highest wisdom man has ever achieved.

Hey xzins Jael and I are friends..you telling her not to talk to me?......OP is a solid doctrinal Calvinist ..but not the only one on the forum (and you know that ) You also know he does not always have time to post. This would not be passive agressive behavior would it?

Doc or Woody or Jerry or any number of Calvinist have cleaned your arminian clock........so smile and do not be so dishonest as to pretend you have her spiritual best interest at heart

"There was no chance that you would not believe in Him since he knew that you would believe in him."

His foreknowledge forces people to believe? Strange. Never heard that.

2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power

I still have post outstanding from OP. He needs to address those before I go any where with him. Besides, he doesn't use a bible that I recognize as the word of God.

He c and p's too many things rather than saying what he believes.