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To: RnMomof7
See you assume that all men can hear and believe ..and that makes man god and not God

No, the premise of your assumption is false.
I believe that God will do as he says, he will draw all men to him. I believe also that some will disobey the gospel, just as Scripture says.

I believe that men must be Born again BEFORE he can see the Kingdom of God..


Of course he must be. And thou, being a master of Calvinism knowest not these things? WHOSOEVER believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

you believe that men are all born with 20-20 spiritual vision ...that is not scripture

Oh no, I don't.

2 Timothy 3:14  But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

15  And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17  That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. Romans 10:12  ¶For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13  For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14  How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15  And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16  But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

Romans 10:17  So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

18  But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

273 posted on 01/01/2003 7:51:03 PM PST by Jael
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To: Jael
But the problem is that believing that God gives all men the grace need to hear and come is not scriptual

The question is why does one hear and repent and not another? What is the diference..I say the word tells us it is not given to all men to hear and repent..

Repetance is a gift of God, faith is a gift of God..

Lots of folks hear the gospel preached and are not converted..so it is not only the preaching of the gospel

Jael if it is Gods will that ALL men everywhere come to him..why has he made that impossible?

Was the cross a grap shoot?

276 posted on 01/01/2003 8:03:40 PM PST by RnMomof7
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