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To: ultima ratio
I never said the Holy See has "publicly" denied anything.

Reread your post #18. You said,

But the problem is Rome's modernism which departs radically from the old Faith. It is indisputable that central dogmas of Catholicism are routinely denied.

Routinely "denied" sounds like denied to me.

You keep using the words (denied, denials). If individual bishops and priests and deacons are in error, then I agree with you. But you have implicated Rome (Holy See) with the sins of the few. Your words; It is indisputable that central dogmas of Catholicism are routinely denied.

Again, I say, name the ones that the Church has denied. The Church's teaching on the Real Presence is available to all Catholics in the Universal Catechism. There is no reason, outside of illiteracy, that one can claim ignorance; for the Catechism is readily available. Nothing in liturgy can deny these dogmas because the dogmas are explained plainly enough. You see the Novus Ordo as an affront to these dogmas. Others don't. If people don't understand good Eucharistic theology, its do to a lack of proper catechesis, not the Novus Ordo.

54 posted on 01/20/2003 12:26:36 PM PST by ThomasMore (1 Peter 3:15-16)
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To: ThomasMore
A denial may be public or it may be in practice. The Real Presence is never openly opposed. Yet Rome takes no steps to shore up belief in this dogma and does not institute or foster devotions which shore it up. Catholics instead are prohibited from showing outward adoration. That is every bit a denial of a dogma as making a public announcement. These people know what they are doing. They are subverting the Catholic faith for ecumenical reasons. The plan is to institute a homogenized faith that embraces all Christians. The fight is over our Catholic identity--it's a war actually.
63 posted on 01/20/2003 12:46:02 PM PST by ultima ratio
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