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Lent and Fasting
e3mil.com ^ | 3/4/03 | Grace MacKinnon

Posted on 03/04/2003 12:41:05 AM PST by nickcarraway

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To: Maximilian
Thanks.

This is also my first traditional Lent observance. (My first ever). I'm not dreading it, as the preist warned against Sunday, but looking forward to the challenge.

Is there also an age "exemption" included in the Church laws for Lent? I believe it's ages 9-59 for the fasting rules. Regardless of that, the "patriarch" of the company I work for is a 75+ year-old traditionalist to whom age means nothing. He fasts like he's 20, and also often labors hard through the day. I've never seen anyone like him...

PS - the calendar is indeed very handy. Would yours happen to be printed by TAN Publishers?

21 posted on 03/04/2003 2:33:38 PM PST by Possenti
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To: Maximilian
Duh - just caught your post 11.

Thanks.

22 posted on 03/04/2003 2:35:45 PM PST by Possenti
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To: nickcarraway
The immoderate long fasts of many displease me, for I have learned by experience that the donkey worn out with fatigue on the road seeks rest at any cost. In a long journey, strength must be supported.

St. Jerome

I like this one.
23 posted on 03/04/2003 3:13:08 PM PST by Desdemona (Eat well today.)
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To: Maximilian
I think there are a lot of traditions to call upon, but the bottom line is that each penitent has to decide what will be meaningful fasting and abstinence. While that doesn't mean taking the easist possible route, it won't be the same for everyone. We should remember we aren't merely fulfilling an obligation to the bare minimum- and that great Graces come from our sacrfice. Our sacrfices are very little compared to the sacrfices Jesus made, which we are commemorating.
24 posted on 03/04/2003 3:41:33 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Maximilian
Have you gone back to "nothing but water after midnight", before going to Communion the next morning, and no meat on Fridays?

I remember, as a kid attending Catholic school, taking our peanutbutter and jelly or fried egg sandwitch to school to eat 'after Mass'.

25 posted on 03/04/2003 6:19:12 PM PST by potlatch (Just think of it as "choosing to abort Saddam"! Dennis Miller)
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To: Maximilian
Somehow it fails to mention that for hundreds of years prior to 1966, all faithful were obligated to fasting and partial abstinence EVERY day during Lent

That is the case for all real Roman Catholics to this day. We got the regulations at Mass this week and they are posted on the refrigerator. One full meal with meat (except on days of abstinence) and two meals without meat that together do not equal one full meal. Them's the rules. Ignore them and you commit a mortal sin. No free rides in God's own Church.

26 posted on 03/04/2003 6:21:30 PM PST by Zviadist
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Please remember that we are abstaining from all things French these days!

On the contrary. I am only consuming and wearing things French. French brie while wearing my Hermes ties. I think our Holy Father has made the Catholic Church's position on this war very clear. You cannot be a Catholic during Lent and long for the bombing of innocent Iraqi Christians -- including Iraqi deputy prime minister Tariq Aziz, who is a Roman Catholic.

27 posted on 03/04/2003 6:25:03 PM PST by Zviadist
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To: Possenti
This is also my first traditional Lent observance. (My first ever). I'm not dreading it, as the preist warned against Sunday, but looking forward to the challenge.

Congratulations! Welcome, friend. God bless you and give you strength!

28 posted on 03/04/2003 6:28:02 PM PST by Zviadist
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To: Maximilian
More information here, too.

Ash Wednesday

What is Lent?

Lent and Easter: A Sourcebook for Families The History of Lent

The Mystery of Lent

Practice During Lent

29 posted on 03/04/2003 7:13:08 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Maximilian
All About Lent
30 posted on 03/04/2003 7:15:07 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Possenti
PS - the calendar is indeed very handy. Would yours happen to be printed by TAN Publishers?

Yes indeed it would. I ordered 6 to get the quantity discount and gave away the other 5 to friends and family. I ordered the "Saints and Mary" calendar. They had another option which I forget. Some of the conservative Catholic newspapers advertise another traditional calendar which I was tempted to order. But I saw one that belonged to a fellow church member, and it was on plain buff card stock with 1-color printing. The TAN calendar is very nicely printed.

31 posted on 03/04/2003 8:43:13 PM PST by Maximilian
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To: potlatch
Have you gone back to "nothing but water after midnight", before going to Communion the next morning, and no meat on Fridays?

Partially. I cheat a little bit by having tea (or coffee if I'm having trouble waking up). In the stricter version of the old rules, even water broke the communion fast. But in the Pius XII version from the 1950s you could take plain liquids, and the midnight fast was changed to 3 hours (which made afternoon and evening Mass schedules possible). We have an 11:30 Mass which means that I don't eat anything until after 12:30. But my body seems to know that it's Sunday and doesn't give me any trouble. My biggest problem is the temptation to pig out on the doughnuts after Mass.

Our whole family never eats meat on Friday. However, we don't take it with the seriousness of a mortal sin, although perhaps we should.

I particularly am a fan of the strict communion rules because it gives a ready-made excuse to anyone not attending communion. In the new rite, with the fasting rules that allow you to be eating on the steps on your way into church (if it's going to be a long Mass), you're practically making a public confession of mortal sin by not going up to communion. This problem is exacerbated when some parishes have ushers that come to each row and look at each person as if to ask "So why aren't you going up?" Often, among the hundreds of people at a NO Mass, you won't find 1 not processing up for communion. Remarkable, considering the data about the ubiquitous nature of mortal sin and the neglect of confession. The strict fasting rules, and the more chaotic move to the communion rail whenever the spirit moved you, made it possible for people to avoid sacrilege without everyone noticing.

32 posted on 03/04/2003 8:54:15 PM PST by Maximilian
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To: Zviadist
I think our Holy Father has made the Catholic Church's position on this war very clear.

Vive le France! Why is it that all the traditionalists are sticking with the pope on this issue, while those who are usually "knee-jerk papal loyalists" feel free to ignore his guidance?

33 posted on 03/04/2003 8:56:58 PM PST by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
Why is it that all the traditionalists are sticking with the pope on this issue, while those who are usually "knee-jerk papal loyalists" feel free to ignore his guidance?

Isn't it absolutely hilarious? The pope is a god -- unless he goes mucking around in that "just war" nonsense. How dare he provide moral leadership at a time like this! Outraged!

34 posted on 03/04/2003 9:13:07 PM PST by Zviadist
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To: nickcarraway
Bump! Thanks!
35 posted on 03/04/2003 9:36:54 PM PST by Lady In Blue
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To: nickcarraway
#3 - love the graphic!
36 posted on 03/04/2003 9:37:36 PM PST by Lady In Blue
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To: Desdemona
Happy Mardi Gras. Eat well today.

Indeed. I ate and drank well. And, hope you did too.

37 posted on 03/04/2003 9:37:46 PM PST by Barnacle (I’m Catholic. Do you have a problem with that?)
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To: Barnacle
Yikes, I was reading this thread, then noticed the time in the bottom of my computer-11:54pm. Drank the rest of my Urquell way too fast. Bye, bye Fat Tuesday. Hello, Ash Wednesday.
38 posted on 03/04/2003 10:07:49 PM PST by sockmonkey
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To: Maximilian
All these traditions of men.

To what end?

39 posted on 03/04/2003 10:38:06 PM PST by PFKEY
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To: Maximilian
Why is it that all the traditionalists are sticking with the pope on this issue, while those who are usually "knee-jerk papal loyalists" feel free to ignore his guidance?

Yep. Sean Hannity comes to mind. I didn't even know he was Catholic until I heard him on the radio today. He said the pope was flat wrong on the war issue.

9-11 has turned our country (and world) into a very bizzare place. I found myself recently agreeing with (ugh) Alan Colmes on certain privacy issues pertaining to the "war on terror". I'll stop short at saying that I'm on "the liberals' side", because I suspect that their anti-war stance is purely political, while mine is moral.

Also, I just saw Gods and Generals last night, and I loved it. Ted Turner produced this movie, and also made a short cameo appearance in it. I still can't figure out how such a revolting man could make such a great movie...

40 posted on 03/05/2003 4:17:06 PM PST by Possenti
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