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To: american colleen
Most knowledgeable sociologists believe the study was accurate and appropriately conducted. Look, the bottom line is we're swimming in a sea of corruption--but the Church is still in denial. I don't at all buy the argument that the Vatican opposes the bishops on this. Sure it floats some trial balloon claiming it might ban gays in the priesthood, and has made a few comments about this for the press. The gullible will seize on this and say, "See! the Pope agrees with us!" But Rome doesn't take ACTION. Nor will it. The Pope has never in twenty-five years moved against the gay subculture that has all but taken over the clergy in some countries, including the US and Canada.
87 posted on 03/07/2003 9:40:31 AM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
Most knowledgeable sociologists believe the study was accurate and appropriately conducted.

Can you give me some names on this issue? I trust sociologists about as much as I trust psychologists and psychiatrists.

The rest of your post...

The Vatican has done nothing more and nothing less than has been done in the past... witness the 1961 statement on homosexuality and also the one from the 1930s (and I'm sure before that as well, but I've not looked that far back)... all three statements basically say the same thing - no one with a homosexual tendency should be ordained. This reminds me of those Catholics like Frances Kissling who say that they are not excommunicated unless the Vatican literally sends someone to her house and tells her she is excommunicated. She hasn't heard from anyone with "standing," so she says she is a practicing Catholic in good standing. I guess she expects the Swiss Guard or maybe the pope himself to knock on her door and hand her a document outlining why she should not be calling herself a Catholic. Listen, we all know the "rules" and we all have a conscience - sadly, too many not formed correctly.

"Swimming in a sea of corruption" --- maybe so, but this generation isn't the first dealing with corruption. The gates won't prevail, we know that. There are also a lot of wonderful things going on in the Church today.

89 posted on 03/07/2003 11:00:49 AM PST by american colleen (Christe Eleison!)
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