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To: Pyro7480
". . .even the Spirit of Truth, who proceeds from the Father."

The Holy Fathers at Constantinople in 381, completing the Creed begun at Nicaea in 325, thought it right to speak of the Spirit proceeding from the Father (alone), even as Our Lord did. The Holy Fathers at Ephesus declared the Creed unchangable.

You cite a temporal event: the Gift of the Spirit to the Apostles in time. The filioque confounds the temporal mission of the Spirit, which is through the Son (as St. Maximus the Confessor observed, striving in charity to find an Orthodox reading for the western innovation), with the Eternal Procession, which is from the Father. This confusion of the temporal and eternal, of the Uncreated with the created (or the relationship of the Uncreated and created) is the root of all Western departures from the Orthodox Faith (including created grace, of which purgatory is the most well-known example, and the false papal ecclesiology).

I pray that you will get the chance to debate your interpretation of Scripture with the Harps of the Spirit in the Kingdom. For my own part, I will reply, as St. Aleksander Nevsky did to the Crusaders, "The Traditions of the Seven Councils we scrupulously keep."

16 posted on 03/17/2003 2:47:28 PM PST by The_Reader_David
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To: The_Reader_David
This confusion of the temporal and eternal, of the Uncreated with the created (or the relationship of the Uncreated and created) is the root of all Western departures from the Orthodox Faith (including created grace, of which purgatory is the most well-known example, and the false papal ecclesiology).

I'm curious. What is the Orthodox objection to created grace, and in particular purgatory? I have an understanding of some of the issues that Orthodoxy has with Catholic ecclesiology.

I pray that you will get the chance to debate your interpretation of Scripture with the Harps of the Spirit in the Kingdom. For my own part, I will reply, as St. Aleksander Nevsky did to the Crusaders, "The Traditions of the Seven Councils we scrupulously keep."

I hope that my imperfection and the stain of sin on my soul will be overcome by the Divine Mercy of Jesus Christ. As for the Crusaders who sacked Constantinople, I think that it was an unforunate incident in the history between the Christian East and the Christian West. To speak for myself, I have the utmost respect for Orthodox Christianity.

17 posted on 03/17/2003 3:01:02 PM PST by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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